Can someone please explain to me why a "drag show" is suddenly the epitome of evil?

[fantome profane]

I don't understand why it would be better than not. Why not just let children believe that men wear this and women wear that? Its always been easy for me, though I do hate tucking in my shirts. Its very easy for me to pick clothes. I grab some slacks and a shirt. Why would anyone want to complicate it further?

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I am certainly not saying a man must wear a dress if he wants to read a book to children. As long as he is fully clothed I don't think it matters what he is wearing. I just think it is great that someone shows up.

 

[fantome profane]

I would love to see Morgan McMichaels read books of witchcraft to kids on Halloween.

That would be great. As long as it is an age appropriate book.

The 100 Best Witches Kids Books

 

[sun rise]

Well to be fair there are plenty of examples of cross dressing, gender bending and even drag in actual children's shows going back decades. How often did Bugs Bunny dress as a sexy lady again? Which was emphasised for comedic effect even.
That was in what, the 50s!?
Did that just confuse all the baby boomers watching?
HIM from Powerpuff Girls comes to mind.
SpongeBob SquarePants has plenty of gags where he’s dressed as a woman. Even Pinky and the Brian did that time to time.
Even the dubbed censored version of Pokémon didn’t shy away from that.
Hell even Disney has examples of drag (Ursula from the Little Mermaid was based on a real life drag Queen, fun fact.)
Pleakly from Lilo and Stitch the series frequently dressed purposefully like a woman. Though maybe that doesn’t count since Pleakly is literally an alien but still.

Honestly wasn’t that confusing even at a young age.

Monty Python's Flying Circus

 

[Wildswanderer]

What is the problem? Please explain it to me.

Sexualizing children is the problem. Good grief.

 

[fantome profane]

Sexualizing children is the problem. Good grief.

And who is doing that? And how?

(and don't just say the Democrats)

 

[Wildswanderer]

Even as a kid I was queer and knew it. In denial, but it's who I've always been.

As a kid I was a cowboy too and sometimes an Indian, and sometimes I was an explorer or a race car driver.
Was I really any of those?
The mind of a child isn't set on what they will be yet, it can be molded.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And who is doing that? And how?

If you can't see it you're being willfully blind.

 

[fantome profane]

If you can't see it you're being willfully blind.

If you can't explain, you don't understand.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And who is doing that? And how?

(and don't just say the Democrats)

People who applaud sexually confused people who confuse children.

 

[fantome profane]

People who applaud sexually confused people who confuse children.

And you are suggesting that Drag show are about sexually confused people. Is that right?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sexualizing children is the problem. Good grief.

Seems to me that the only person in this thread sexualizing children is you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous. And I don't know why. And I wonder if even they know why. I wonder if they have ever actually examined their position.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

Have you ever even been to a drag show? I have, many times. They take place in gay clubs and bars among adults, and are very sexualized. Their very stage names are usually sexual double entendres. Drag is closely related to burlesque. It's not for kids.

Let her explain it:

So, no - it's not "evil". It's an adult form of entertainment by and for adults. The end.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous. And I don't know why. And I wonder if even they know why. I wonder if they have ever actually examined their position.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

Kids love dress-up, and they generally don't care about such niceties as species, gender, colour, or alive or dead.

Adults, at least the one's who've had the "kid" beaten the hell out of them, disapprove of everything that isn't given a "nihil obstat" rating by whoever they've decided directs their moral and spiritual lives -- being generally unable to direct those things themselves.

In other words, post-indoctrinal hysterical terror.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Drag is closely related to burlesque. It's not for kids.

Oh, give us a break! Kids are the more likely to enjoy and engage in "burlesque" of all humans. Perhaps you've never actually met a child (though I've no doubt you must have been one).

Burlesque: an absurd or comically exaggerated imitation of something, especially in a literary or dramatic work; a parody.

I've never met a kid who didn't relish any peformance that met that definition.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As a kid I was a cowboy too and sometimes an Indian, and sometimes I was an explorer or a race car driver.
Was I really any of those?
The mind of a child isn't set on what they will be yet, it can be molded.

You mean you couldn't tell you were pretending? You didn't grow up watching Mr. Rogers?

 

[fantome profane]

You mean you couldn't tell you were pretending? You didn't grow up watching Mr. Rogers?

I grew up watching some guy who called himself “Mr. Dressup” and his gender ambiguous puppet “Casey”.






And I turned out ok.

 

[Left Coast]

Have you ever even been to a drag show? I have, many times. They take place in gay clubs and bars among adults, and are very sexualized. Their very stage names are usually sexual double entendres. Drag is closely related to burlesque. It's not for kids.

Let her explain it:

So, no - it's not "evil". It's an adult form of entertainment by and for adults. The end.

Have you ever been to a family friendly drag show where they know kids will be there? I have, more than once. They aren't sexual. They tone them down to make them appropriate for all ages. They don't take place in bars or clubs.

So no, they aren't sexual when done for kids.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sexualizing children is the problem. Good grief.

I don't see any sexualizing kids but a lot of denial we are sexual beings and kids as well have curiosities and questions. And somewhere this absurd idea that elementary school students are innocent. Of course there are age appropriate things, and it's unusual for very young children to know more than just the iew, icky, gross, boys and girls ugh type stuff, but they are still curious about some things and it's ok, and even good for them, to know that it's normal and natural for people to start developing certain feelings and attractions towards others when they grow and get older. Concepts of romance and marriage are also good to know. They'll iew and yuck, but it's important they receive messages and reinforcements these things are normal, natural, amd will come later on.
Fifth grade, the entire male student body in my classroom got a lecture about inappropriate sexual behaviors when they did harass the girls of the class.
So, yeah, even young it is appropriate for non-explicit material that prepares students with knowledge and resources against predators, and the differences between wanted and consensual things and unwanted, non-consensual things.

 

[fantome profane]

Have you ever been to a family friendly drag show where they know kids will be there? I have, more than once. They aren't sexual. They tone them down to make them appropriate for all ages. They don't take place in bars or clubs.

So no, they aren't sexual when done for kids.

That ought to be common sense. But sadly when politicians get involved common sense evaporates.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh, give us a break! Kids are the more likely to enjoy and engage in "burlesque" of all humans. Perhaps you've never actually met a child (though I've no doubt you must have been one).

Burlesque: an absurd or comically exaggerated imitation of something, especially in a literary or dramatic work; a parody.

I've never met a kid who didn't relish any peformance that met that definition.

You know what I mean by burlesque. Let's not be disingenuous.

American burlesque - Wikipedia

It's basically a strip show. Think Dita Von Teese. That's burlesque.