Can someone please explain to me why a "drag show" is suddenly the epitome of evil?

[muichimotsu]

But why is it pathetic and disgraceful?

I think it is wonderful and noble. Anyone who decides to spend their time entertaining children, spreading a little joy and love is someone we should admire. Whether they read books, or act out fairytales, or sings songs or whatever, it should happen more.

Apparently Astrael just doesn't like people having fun, it's all about "responsibility" and no leisure at all, never relaxing, always being concerned about some scary enemy that's at the gates. Which honestly just has me concerned this is paranoid delusions, but that's just me

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I think that kindergarten kids might be confused learning of the LGBT universe at such a young age.
In my humble opinion.

They're also confused when they are introduced to the concept of basic arithmetic. The point is that you show them, you explain it to them, and then it's not as confusing any more.

That's kind of the point of education.

 

[muichimotsu]

I don't understand the obsession with it either. Why are conservatives so fixated on it, you think? It's innocent silly entertainment for children.

Because they hate the idea of people having fun in a way they don't understand, lacking basic emotional empathy

 

[Heyo]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous. And I don't know why. And I wonder if even they know why. I wonder if they have ever actually examined their position.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

Because drag queens are a minority.
When the cohesion of your group mostly rests on which people you collectively hate, any target is fair game. The gays, the libs, the "alphabet people" and the drag queens. If they are slightly out of mainstream culture and likely not part of your group, hate on them and get votes for "owning the libs".

 

[muichimotsu]

Because drag queens are a minority.
When the cohesion of your group mostly rests on which people you collectively hate, any target is fair game. The gays, the libs, the "alphabet people" and the drag queens. If they are slightly out of mainstream culture and likely not part of your group, hate on them and get votes for "owning the libs".

Fascism, collectivism, scapegoating to maintain a status quo where only those already in power keep it and everyone else remains blissfully ignorant

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Well, that's your problem.
Shout "He's behind you." in the UK and everyone will know what you are talking about.

Public service announcement:
Altfish here is referring to the pantomime convention of shouting "he's behind you!" at pantomime performances in which one character - often the "dame" - is looking for someone or something, when that exact someone or something wanders on stage behind them, prompting the audience to shout said phrase.
However, I would not recommend shouting "he's behind you!" in a variety of other circumstances, such as in the street at a random stranger. They are likely to panic and start running.
Tone may also be important. While shouting "he's behind you!" in a theatrical, slow and jovial manner may catch other people up on the joke in public spaces, whispering it to a schizophrenic may not induce the same reaction. The same is true if you randomly dial somebody's number and say it in a low and menacing manner over the phone.
This has been a public service announcement for the benefit of the people of the UK.

 

[Altfish]

Public service announcement:
Altfish here is referring to the pantomime convention of shouting "he's behind you!" at pantomime performances in which one character - often the "dame" - is looking for someone or something, when that exact someone or something wanders on stage behind them, prompting the audience to shout said phrase.
However, I would not recommend shouting "he's behind you!" in a variety of other circumstances, such as in the street at a random stranger. They are likely to panic and start running.
Tone may also be important. While shouting "he's behind you!" in a theatrical, slow and jovial manner may catch other people up on the joke in public spaces, whispering it to a schizophrenic may not induce the same reaction. The same is true if you randomly dial somebody's number and say it in a low and menacing manner over the phone.
This has been a public service announcement for the benefit of the people of the UK.

I think everybody in the UK knows about this, your last line should have been ...
This has been a public service announcement for the benefit of the people NOT of the UK

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Have you ever even been to a drag show? I have, many times. They take place in gay clubs and bars among adults, and are very sexualized. Their very stage names are usually sexual double entendres. Drag is closely related to burlesque. It's not for kids

Just wait until you find out about the origins of Barbie.

The events that have right-wingers clutching their pearls or threatening violence are not as you describe:

- they're in places like libraries. The event I mentioned earlier is at a family-oriented vegan restaurant.

- performers use stage names that aren't sexual. A quick googling of library drag queen storytime events pointed to names like Auntie Plum and Gina Tonic.

- I haven't ever heard of a drag queen storytime event including sexual content.

So do you have any relevant objections?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Because they hate the idea of people having fun in a way they don't understand, lacking basic emotional empathy

Rigid dogma seems to negate sympathy, empathy, compassion, etc.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Have you ever seen a British pantomime? Nearly everyone is in drag. The leading boy is a girl; the dames are men.
Kindergarten kids love it.

I was obviously going to mention this - and also obviously a subversive attempt to promote the LGBT+ agenda - even if such dates back a long way and probably further (the dressing bit) - like in Shakespeare's time.

 

[Estro Felino]

They're also confused when they are introduced to the concept of basic arithmetic. The point is that you show them, you explain it to them, and then it's not as confusing any more.

That's kind of the point of education.

John Keats used to say that Beauty is Truth and Truth is Beauty.
I think there is an agenda aimed at destroying Beauty and destroying the capability of acknowledging Beauty within the mind of children from a very young age on.

I was raised in the eighties-nineties, before the digital era...where such idea of Beauty was taught to children.
Since I already know you are going to ask me "What is Beauty?", I will give a visual answer.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

John Keats used to say that Beauty is Truth and Truth is Beauty.

Interesting you should say that, when you seem very engaged in avoiding truth at all costs.

It is true drag queens, gay people and trans people exist. I see no problem with telling this truth to children.

Meanwhile, the only objection you have is vague, euphemistic language. Because you can't admit the truth to us.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Apparently Astrael just doesn't like people having fun, it's all about "responsibility" and no leisure at all, never relaxing, always being concerned about some scary enemy that's at the gates. Which honestly just has me concerned this is paranoid delusions, but that's just me

He's also into this idea of rigid masculinity and femininity and seems to believe life can be nothing but a miserable, lonely failure if you don't live up to his ideas.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Interesting you should say that, when you seem very engaged in avoiding truth at all costs.

It is true drag queens, gay people and trans people exist. I see no problem with telling this truth to children.

Meanwhile, the only objection you have is vague, euphemistic language. Because you can't admit the truth to us.

Estro is trans. It's a personal, everyday truth for Estro but "dudes wearing a dress and sounding like Mike Tyson" for others.

 

[Estro Felino]

Estro is trans. It's a personal, everyday truth for Estro but "dudes wearing a dress and sounding like Mike Tyson" for others.

I go out with 40-50 year old men.
I don't understand why there should be this weird connection between children and drag queens...or similar.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I go out with 40 year old men.
I don't understand why there should be this weird connection between children and drag queens...or similar.

Draq queens are performers. It's an act. Are we going go start screaming it's a sexual thing if someone puts on a show in an animal costume and start making these absurd, outlandish claims about it how it's some sexual thing and inappropriate for kids?

 

[Estro Felino]

Draq queens are performers. It's an act. Are we going go start screaming it's a sexual thing if someone puts on a show in an animal costume and start making these absurd, outlandish claims about it how it's some sexual thing and inappropriate for kids?

That's not the same thing. Wearing a Winnie The Pooh costume is not the same, in my humble opinion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's not the same thing. Wearing a Winnie The Pooh costume is not the same, in my humble opinion.

Drag (clothing) - Wikipedia

The term "drag" refers to the performance of masculinity, femininity or other forms of gender expression. A drag queen is someone (usually male) who performs femininity and a drag king is someone (usually female) who performs masculinity.[1][2][3] The term may be used as a noun as in the expression in drag or as an adjective as in drag show.[4]

Drag show - Wikipedia

A drag show is a form of entertainment performed by drag artists impersonating men or women.

It's a different sort of act than some putting on a Pooh show, but it's still a show and performance nevertheless just like Shakespeare or Peking opera.

 

[Heyo]

That's not the same thing. Wearing a Winnie The Pooh costume is not the same, in my humble opinion.

Furries are just the worst. Even the dems aren't supporting them (yet).

 

[fantome profane]

That's not the same thing. Wearing a Winnie The Pooh costume is not the same, in my humble opinion.

What is the difference? I mean what is the significant difference that makes one ok and the other not?