Can someone please explain to me why a "drag show" is suddenly the epitome of evil?

[Shadow Wolf]

Have you ever been to a family friendly drag show where they know kids will be there? I have, more than once. They aren't sexual. They tone them down to make them appropriate for all ages. They don't take place in bars or clubs.

So no, they aren't sexual when done for kids.

They are, first and foremost, and act and form of entertainment. If anything, a lesson in not being so serious about everything so they don't end up like the uptight adults.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Have you ever been to a family friendly drag show where they know kids will be there? I have, more than once. They aren't sexual. They tone them down to make them appropriate for all ages. They don't take place in bars or clubs.

So no, they aren't sexual when done for kids.

No, I haven't. I honestly don't understand this obsession over drag queens in pop culture at all. It's probably RuPaul's fault but I don't like him, either.

 

[Left Coast]

No, I haven't. I honestly don't understand this obsession over drag queens in pop culture at all. It's probably RuPaul's fault but I don't like him, either.

I don't understand the obsession with it either. Why are conservatives so fixated on it, you think? It's innocent silly entertainment for children.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You know what I mean by burlesque. Let's not be disingenuous.

American burlesque - Wikipedia

It's basically a strip show. Think Dita Von Teese. That's burlesque.

Uh huh. And from about mid-elementary school on the burlesque pictures, raunchy songs, lewd gestures, and also unwanted sexual acts continue and haven't stopped.
Why shouldn't schools do more to educate kids in a way that acknowledges kids for who they are while also aiming to protect those who aren't yet exposed to or seeking such things?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't understand the obsession with it either. Why are conservatives so fixated on it, you think? It's innocent silly entertainment for children.

They aren't big, burly, hairy dudes hammering each others brains while chasing around other big, burly hairy dudes with balls (who occasionally slap eachother on the *** and pile up on top of eachother). They just aren't all sweaty with glistening muscles as they grab at eachother and invade each others distance of intimate contact.

 

[fantome profane]

You know what I mean by burlesque. Let's not be disingenuous.

American burlesque - Wikipedia

It's basically a strip show. Think Dita Von Teese. That's burlesque.

But think about a stand up comedian who can do a show for families including young children and then go to a comedy club and do the the most raunchy x-rated blue material you can think of.

No drag performer is going to do the kind of burlesque you are talking about for children. No one is suggesting that children should go to that kind of show.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You know what I mean by burlesque. Let's not be disingenuous.

American burlesque - Wikipedia

It's basically a strip show. Think Dita Von Teese. That's burlesque.

Now I think you are being entirely disingenuous. You are trying to conflate and equate two separate things: drag shows in gay clubs, and drag queens reading to children. Now, I might agree that sometimes (not often, though, because I've see drag shows since 1965) performers might strip. Mostly, they don't. They mime ( a few talented ones sing). And they preen, and look for approval. But mostly, with all the clothes on at the end as they had at the beginning.

And then there's the person in drag reading to children. Were they taking their clothes off as they did? Because as near as I can recall (I'm old) that is a sort of integral part of what a strip show is.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't understand the obsession with it either. Why are conservatives so fixated on it, you think? It's innocent silly entertainment for children.

I was talking about drag queens being all over pop culture for the last decade. I think it's because of RuPaul's shows.

I personally don't really care about the story hours, although apparently some of the people leading those were sex offenders from what I've seen. I also think people take offense at adults bringing their kids to adult venues to watch adults twerk for cash, and encouraging kids to do the same. There's videos of that happening. Those are what the problems are with this, from what conservatives are saying. If that stops, it's all good to me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Now I think you are being entirely disingenuous. You are trying to conflate and equate two separate things: drag shows in gay clubs, and drag queens reading to children. Now, I might agree that sometimes (not often, though, because I've see drag shows since 1965) performers might strip. Mostly, they don't. They mime ( a few talented ones sing). And they preen, and look for approval. But mostly, with all the clothes on at the end as they had at the beginning.

And then there's the person in drag reading to children. Were they taking their clothes off as they did? Because as near as I can recall (I'm old) that is a sort of integral part of what a strip show is.

I never said that. I was clarifying what I meant by burlesque.

 

[sun rise]

Oh, give us a break! Kids are the more likely to enjoy and engage in "burlesque" of all humans. Perhaps you've never actually met a child (though I've no doubt you must have been one).

Burlesque: an absurd or comically exaggerated imitation of something, especially in a literary or dramatic work; a parody.

I've never met a kid who didn't relish any peformance that met that definition.

And what about all the sexually suggestive TV ads. Let's get rid of those while we're at it.

 

[Left Coast]

I was talking about drag queens being all over pop culture for the last decade. I think it's because of RuPaul's shows.

Oh, I see. Yes, I think that's part of it. It's funny and creative and entertaining. Doesn't have to be everyone's cup of tea, though.

I personally don't really care about the story hours, although apparently some of the people leading those were sex offenders from what I've seen. I also think people take offense at adults bringing their kids to adult venues to watch adults twerk for cash, and encouraging kids to do the same. There's videos of that happening. Those are what the problems are with this, from what conservatives are saying. If that stops, it's all good to me.

I haven't seen that, though obviously I don't think sex offenders should be around kids (regardless of their profession). I doubt that describes many cases. The vast majority of the conservative criticism I've seem are people who have never seen these shows for kids and assume they're strip teases or something. I think at a more fundamental level it is an association of drag with gayness and a belief that gayness (and pretty much any rebellion against stereotypical gender norms) is bad somehow.

 

[Stevicus]

And what about all the sexually suggestive TV ads. Let's get rid of those while we're at it.

There are dog food commercials where they show dogs without any clothes on.

 

[Sand Dancer]

As long as he is fully clothed I don't think it matters what he is wearing.

You nudist! Oh oh, that one didn't work very well, did it?

 

[Sand Dancer]

They aren't big, burly, hairy dudes hammering each others brains while chasing around other big, burly hairy dudes with balls (who occasionally slap eachother on the *** and pile up on top of eachother). They just aren't all sweaty with glistening muscles as they grab at eachother and invade each others distance of intimate contact.

For points even!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There are dog food commercials where they show dogs without any clothes on.

That just reminded me of this Disney song my niece like called the No Pants Dance.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You nudist! Oh oh, that one didn't work very well, did it?

Yes, it works just fine, because we are all naturally come into this world a nudist and a nudist still we remain underneath layers of fabric.

 

[Altfish]

I think that kindergarten kids might be confused learning of the LGBT universe at such a young age.
In my humble opinion.

Have you ever seen a British pantomime? Nearly everyone is in drag. The leading boy is a girl; the dames are men.
Kindergarten kids love it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Have you ever seen a British pantomime? Nearly everyone is in drag. The leading boy is a girl; the dames are men.
Kindergarten kids love it.

I don't like that, honestly.

 

[Altfish]

I don't like that, honestly.

Well, that's your problem.
Shout "He's behind you." in the UK and everyone will know what you are talking about.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Have you ever even been to a drag show? I have, many times. They take place in gay clubs and bars among adults, and are very sexualized. Their very stage names are usually sexual double entendres. Drag is closely related to burlesque. It's not for kids.

Let her explain it:

So, no - it's not "evil". It's an adult form of entertainment by and for adults. The end.

Its also a form of art imo.

Performing arts.