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Can you give me a solid proof

John53

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
You just contradicted yourself.
If you don't believe God should or could be doing anything, then how can you believe that if there were a God some things would happen (or wouldn't happen) and that the fact that these things are or are not happening is evidence that there is no God?
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It's not a contradiction, I don't believe in the existence of any Gods that I have studied. The fact that many of the things I would expect to happen if those Gods existed are evidence they don't. You just have such a strong belief you can't imagine that their are people who don't believe.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
John53 said:
It's not a contradiction, I don't believe in the existence of any Gods that I have studied. The fact that many of the things I would expect to happen if those Gods existed are evidence they don't. You just have such a strong belief you can't imagine that their are people who don't believe.
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So let's start over. Why don't you believe in the existence of any Gods that you have studied?
 
Tiberius

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Seeker of White Light said:
I dont demand at all.

But so far non of the answers has given proof of that God does not exist :)

I did not expect a proof either.
Some even tried to turn it bsck at the believers to say, the proof lies at the believers. But that is not what the OP ask.
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What you asked was based on a faulty premise.

First of all, I haven't seen anyone who says, "I can prove that God doesn't exist."

Secondly, to do such a thing is proving a negative and can't be done.

Thirdly, the burden of proof lays on the person who makes the claim that God does exist and doesn't support it.

All you are doing is making a claim and then trying to weasel out of it by saying you aren't demanding anything, despite the fact that the entire purpose of this thread is to demand that non-believers prove that their position is correct.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Tiberius said:
What you asked was based on a faulty premise.

First of all, I haven't seen anyone who says, "I can prove that God doesn't exist."

Secondly, to do such a thing is proving a negative and can't be done.

Thirdly, the burden of proof lays on the person who makes the claim that God does exist and doesn't support it.

All you are doing is making a claim and then trying to weasel out of it by saying you aren't demanding anything, despite the fact that the entire purpose of this thread is to demand that non-believers prove that their position is correct.
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I'd like to follow up on your last comment -- "that the entire purpose of this thread is to demand that non-believers prove that their position is correct" -- by pointing out that while non-believers may not be able to prove that their position is correct (that not believing in what you have no reason to believe is a wise choice), they also cannot provide a single piece of tangible evidence -- absolutely none except the forty tons of bits of the :"true cross" and at least 11 "holy prepuces" among other oddities -- for why the believe as they do.

Next week, I'll try to write an even longer sentence. John Stuart Mill, I may win yet! :D:D
 
vulcanlogician

vulcanlogician

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
Food for thought....

Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?
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That is a much better and more fruitful question than "Can you prove God doesn't exist?" Sure, atheists have responses/counter arguments to either position. But the question you asked in your other thread doesn't run immediately into the Russell's Teapot absurdities like this one does.

It is unfair for conspiracy theorists to demand evidence that a second gunman didn't exist. As if that proves anything about the existance of a second gunman simply because it can't be disproven. A third, forth fifth, or sixth gunman similarly can't be disproven.

And sure, a couple atheists in this thread have claimed to have negative proof. And, in their particular case, the burden of proof is on THEM. But most respondents don't claim to have such knowledge. Yet the latter group has made the case multiple times that their disbelief is reasonable. If you gloss over those well-reasoned arguments this has zero chance of developing into an honest debate.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
vulcanlogician said:
And sure, a couple atheists in this thread have claimed to have negative proof. And, in their particular case, the burden of proof is on THEM. But most respondents don't claim to have such knowledge. Yet the latter group has made the case multiple times that their disbelief is reasonable. If you gloss over those well-reasoned arguments this has zero chance of developing into an honest debate.
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Which arguments 'against' the existence of God do you consider well-reasoned?
 
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