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Can you give me a solid proof

Heyo

Veteran Member
No you can't.
G-d is not a physical phenomena.
Neither are numbers.
You might say that G-d cannot be both "all-loving" and "strict in punishment", so doesn't exist.
I beg to differ. :)
God can not be just and merciful at the same time since mercy is defined as forgoing punishment.

But I guess that is not what your true objection is. You object to logic, don't you?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
God can not be just and merciful at the same time since mercy is defined as forgoing punishment.
God is not just and merciful at the same time.
Sometimes God is just and sometimes God is merciful.

“It is even possible that the condition of those who have died in sin and unbelief may become changed—that is to say, they may become the object of pardon through the bounty of God, not through His justice—for bounty is giving without desert, and justice is giving what is deserved.”
Some Answered Questions, p. 232
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
With all due respect, that can never be proven, nor can God exists ever be proven.
There is evidence that God exists, but there is not proof. If there was proof God exists would be a fact, not a belief.
But this looks like a fun thread, although I will never catch up since I just saw it. :eek:
You are correct, we can not prove or disprove a personal belief that God exist or not
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Having colour (in this case pink) is defined as giving of light (by reflection or through autonomous emission) in the visible spectrum. Being invisible is defined as not radiating or reflecting or bending or otherwise distorting light in the visible spectrum.
That is a contradiction. A and not A. Logically it can not exist.
But my personal definition of a "pink" object includes any object that does not absorb the colour pink and does not reflect any non-pink colour. By that definition, something can be invisible and pink at the same time. ;)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I certainly can provide proof there isn't a God.

Just by pointing out the chronic inability for people to prove any God, hence my proof is already well established beyond any doubt that there is certainly no God out there, aside from the imaginary one's that live inside people's heads.
The inability for people to prove any God is not proof that God does not exist.
God has never provided proof of His existence so how can believers provide proof to nonbelievers?

But that is not the important point. The important point is that lack of proof is not proof that God does not exist, since proof is not what makes God exist. God either exists or not. Some people want proof in order to believe that God exists but proof does not make God exist.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
But I guess that is not what your true objection is. You object to logic, don't you?
Certainly not..
It is just that what some person might find logical could be due to them misunderstanding a concept. People often claim that miracles go against logic, but that is not a matter of logic, but of belief. Belief that the laws of physics can be broken in certain circumstances, if G-d wills.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It's not a belief. It's a solid fact.

There are factually no gods whatsoever living outside of people's heads.
No, it is not a fact that God does not exist, not any more than it is a fact that God exists.
Believers cannot prove that God exists and nonbelievers cannot prove that God does not exist, so neither one of those are factual. They are both BELIEFS.

fact
something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:
fact
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Do you need one? What value would such a proof be? It would be of no value to either those believing in deities, nor to those who don't.
It would be of value to me. If you could prove that God does not exist I would be outa here so fast you would not even see my shadow. If you could prove that God does not exist my life would be completely different.

 
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