can you proove there isn't a deity?

[outhouse]

I have sources too. You cannot come in here and dismiss them as "I don't like it because it goes against my personal faith".

The Bible contains more truth than all the pages of wikipedia.

Every part of wiki I posted is backed with sources.

What I claimed as fact, is not up for debate. It is why you cannot refute it.

Nuh Uh does not cut in the real world of debating.


Brings sources, your opinion has been proven by you, to not be credible.

 

[Sonofason]

This is nothing more than opinion at best and wishful thinking at worse.

Yes, I am very hopeful.

 

[Sonofason]

File:Atomic resolution Au100.JPG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The individual atoms composing the material are visible

Do all religious people like you denounce education and knowledge and facts presented to them?

Those are factually electrons.

If you denounce what your eyes see, you have lost all credibility to debate and should go to the "same faith" section of this forum where REASON is not required.

My eyes do not see anything that remotely resembles that which I believe might be an electron. Please provide evidence of electrons, and not some pretty picture of what you claim is electrons.

 

[Sonofason]

Every part of wiki I posted is backed with sources.

What I claimed as fact, is not up for debate. It is why you cannot refute it.

Nuh Uh does not cut in the real world of debating.


Brings sources, your opinion has been proven by you, to not be credible.

I am not trying to be credible. On this thread it is your obligation to prove that God does not exist. So prove that God does not exist, and stop trying to prove to me that electrons exist.

 

[outhouse]

That's like me saying, we have more than faith to describe God, we have words of apostles.

NO YOU DONT, you don't have a single word that can be attributed to a REAL apostle with any certainty what so ever.

The authors of the gospels are unknown. Only 7 of pauls letters are attributed to him, and he never knew Jesus while he was alive

Gospel of Luke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the majority view, the evidence against Luke's being the author is strong enough that the author is unknown

Gospel of John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the majority do not believe that John or one of the Apostles wrote it

Gospel of Matthew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Gospel of Matthew is anonymous: the author is not named within the text, nowhere does he claim to have been an eyewitness to events

Gospel of Mark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some modern scholars believe that the gospel was written in Syria by an unknown Christian no earlier than AD 70, using various sources including a passion narrative (probably written), collections of miracles stories (oral or written), apocalyptic traditions (probably written), and disputations and didactic sayings (some possibly written

 

[outhouse]

I am not trying to be credible. On this thread it is your obligation to prove that God does not exist. So prove that God does not exist, and stop trying to prove to me that electrons exist.

STOP----YOU don't get to debate further.

YOU have proven yourself to not be debatable.

 

[Sonofason]

NO YOU DONT, you don't have a single word that can be attributed to a REAL apostle with any certainty what so ever.

The authors of the NT are unknown.

Gospel of Luke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the majority view, the evidence against Luke's being the author is strong enough that the author is unknown

Gospel of John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the majority do not believe that John or one of the Apostles wrote it

Gospel of Matthew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Gospel of Mark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some modern scholars believe that the gospel was written in Syria by an unknown Christian no earlier than AD 70, using various sources including a passion narrative (probably written), collections of miracles stories (oral or written), apocalyptic traditions (probably written), and disputations and didactic sayings (some possibly written

That is of course your opinion. I am not obliged to take your word for it. Nor am I obliged to take the word of those who might agree with you. I have my own opinions on the matter. And I too am not alone.

 

[outhouse]

That is of course your opinion. I am not obliged to take your word for it. Nor am I obliged to take the word of those who might agree with you. I have my own opinions on the matter. And I too am not alone.

STOP----YOU don't get to debate further.

YOU have proven yourself to not be debatable.

 

[Sonofason]

STOP----YOU don't get to debate further.

YOU have proven yourself to not be debatable.

If that were true, I might agree.

 

[McBell]

That is of course your opinion. I am not obliged to take your word for it. Nor am I obliged to take the word of those who might agree with you. I have my own opinions on the matter. And I too am not alone.

If you do not care about your credibility and you are simply going to stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" whenever you are told something you dislike, why are you even on RF?

 

[Sonofason]

If you do not care about your credibility and you are simply going to stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" whenever you are told something you dislike, why are you even on RF?

I am here not to be convinced that a God does not exist. I am here only to try to convince you that one might. I am certain that a God exists. There is no amount of evidence that could convince me otherwise. So, I am not here for my own benefit, but for those who somehow have been convinced that no God exists.

 

[Esaurus]

Hello Kloth,

Those that claim there's no God know within themselves that God exists but denies it because they don't want to consider themselves responsible for their wrongs.

 

[outhouse]

Hello Kloth,

Those that claim there's no God know within themselves that God exists but denies it because they don't want to consider themselves responsible for their wrongs.

You have no business making that claim. It is a claim from ignorance.

I see man creating deities through theology and mythology.

Scientifically god doesn't exist because there is nothing to test for. Something has to exist, then one can test it.

To date not one thing in nature can be attributed to any deity ever.

 

[Sonofason]

If you do not care about your credibility and you are simply going to stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" whenever you are told something you dislike, why are you even on RF?

If someone were to actually prove to me the existence of electrons, instead of providing claims of electrons, I might begin to believe in electrons due to the evidence for electrons. But since no one has done that, I must continue to believe in electrons by faith.

If you could prove to me that the apostles did not write words that are contained in the Bible, I might agree that the apostles did not write words that are included in the Bible. The claims by others, I reject. Show me evidence, and I might accept it. If you simply show me claims, I am not so inclined to accept them.

 

[Sonofason]

You have no business making that claim. It is a claim from ignorance.

I see man creating deities through theology and mythology.

Scientifically god doesn't exist because there is nothing to test for. Something has to exist, then one can test it.

To date not one thing in nature can be attributed to any deity ever.

But then again, not one thing in nature can be shown to not be attributed to God.

 

[McBell]

I am here not to be convinced that a God does not exist. I am here only to try to convince you that one might. I am certain that a God exists. There is no amount of evidence that could convince me otherwise. So, I am not here for my own benefit, but for those who somehow have been convinced that no God exists.

Ah, so you are merely preaching to the choir?

If you have no credibility, how do you think you will convince anyone of anything?

 

[McBell]

But then again, not one thing in nature can be shown to not be attributed to God.

:biglaugh:

You know your "argument" is worthless if all you have to grasp onto is "you cannot prove my claim false", right?

 

[McBell]

If someone were to actually prove to me the existence of electrons, instead of providing claims of electrons, I might begin to believe in electrons due to the evidence for electrons. But since no one has done that, I must continue to believe in electrons by faith.

If you could prove to me that the apostles did not write words that are contained in the Bible, I might agree that the apostles did not write words that are included in the Bible. The claims by others, I reject. Show me evidence, and I might accept it. If you simply show me claims, I am not so inclined to accept them.

How is that going to happen when you have flat out stated you will not allow yourself to accept anything that you think goes against your beliefs?

so are you lying to us, to yourself, or perhaps all the above?

 

[McBell]

But then again, not one thing in nature can be shown to not be attributed to God.

And neither can one thing at all be shown to be attributed to god.

 

[Willamena]

Hello Kloth,

Those that claim there's no God know within themselves that God exists but denies it because they don't want to consider themselves responsible for their wrongs.

Denying it is them taking responsibility for their wrongs.