Can you Unravel the Mystery?

[nPeace]

the whole book is addressed to self, the reader. it isn't about something external. first wash the inside of the cup and the outside will be clean too. revelation is about something be revealed about self to self. not revealed about something external. self is the church.

rev 2:7
rev 2:11
rev 2:17
rev 2:29
rev 3:6
rev 3:13
rev 3:22


those seals are basically the 7 chakras

the book is self


the books is sealed on the spine of the book.

only love will unseal the book.

I understand you have are looking for a way to apply it to your understanding, but Babylon the Great sits on many waters, and rides a beast - The beast represents kingdoms of kings, and the waters represent peoples of all nations.
The harlot commits fornication with the kings of the earth, and is responsible for earth's inhabitants being drunk with her wine... as well as spilling the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.
The beast destroys her eventually.

So if you can explain how Chakras fits in there, all well and good.
If not... you are simply using your ideas to fit into the verses,, which would be a No.

 

[nPeace]

people filter all information from the limited experience they have of being in the world. they can do no more/less. the problem is when individuals start paving the road to hell with "good" beliefs.

You are saying this about all people, including yourself, or did you have particulars in mind?

 

[metis]

People are saying this, but providing no scriptural references, or support for what they say.
The thread is under Scriptural Debates.

It is an interpretation of scripture that all of us do, such as in your post #201.

 

[metis]

That's quite an accusation with no basis for being able to back it up.
On the other hand, the 8 million plus active ministers in nearly 240 lands, are all unitedly engaged in preaching the good news of God's kingdom in every land to people of every tribe, and tongue, in the same manner as the Lord Jesus.
Which part of that is following men?

Where is your team, and what are you doing, that demonstrate you are following God, and not man?

I'm very familiar with the JW's, and you do follow men as you could be in trouble if you didn't. Do I really need to explain?

 

[nPeace]

It is an interpretation of scripture that all of us do, such as in your post #201.

What are you saying... that we cannot know what Jesus said in the Bible, and we do not understand it in the way he instructed, and presented it?

 

[nPeace]

I'm very familiar with the JW's, and you do follow men as you could be in trouble if you didn't. Do I really need to explain?

Yes. Please do explain, because I know you are wrong.

 

[metis]

What are you saying... that we cannot know what Jesus said in the Bible, and we do not understand it in the way he instructed, and presented it?

How in the world did you get the above out of what I posted? You use interpretations then come back with the above???

 

[metis]

Yes. Please do explain, because I know you are wrong.

Please respond back to this post as I'll have to get back with ya tomorrow.

 

[nPeace]

How in the world did you get the above out of what I posted? You use interpretations then come back with the above???

I simply asked a question. Why do you get upset when people ask you a simple question? Can you answer the question... please.

 

[nPeace]

Please respond back to this post as I'll have to get back with ya tomorrow.

Take your time. Just answer my question. Fair is fair.

 

[Fool]

I understand you have are looking for a way to apply it to your understanding, but Babylon the Great sits on many waters, and rides a beast - The beast represents kingdoms of kings, and the waters represent peoples of all nations.
The harlot commits fornication with the kings of the earth, and is responsible for earth's inhabitants being drunk with her wine... as well as spilling the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.
The beast destroys her eventually.

So if you can explain how Chakras fits in there, all well and good.
If not... you are simply using your ideas to fit into the verses,, which would be a No.

its not my exclusive understanding. the spirit you are listening to is the one within self.

1 Corinthians 6:19

ecclesiastes tells you man is a beast

ecclesiastes 3:18

revelation 5:1 talks about the book sealed on the back with 7 seals.

self is the book that is sealed, like daniel

hebrews 10:7
psalms 10:7-9


the law is written in self, imprinted in self, inherent in self


it is you that are trying to project it everywhere but upon the reader who is called to understand.

with love comes light.

 

[nPeace]

its not my exclusive understanding. the spirit you are listening to is the one within self.

1 Corinthians 6:19

ecclesiastes tells you man is a beast

ecclesiastes 3:18

revelation 5:1 talks about the book sealed on the back with 7 seals.

self is the book that is sealed, like daniel

hebrews 10:7
psalms 10:7-9


the law is written in self, imprinted in self, inherent in self


it is you that are trying to project it everywhere but upon the reader who is called to understand.

with love comes light.

Actually the angel giving John the message is not wrong. That angel identifies the beast, and did not say it represents man. Should we believe the angel, or you?

 

[101G]

certainly you don't believe the words of the Lord at Matthew 24:18-20, and Matthew 24:14 applies to you... Nor Romans 10:13-15.

personal opinion? U know what I do with them........ (smile), let the record show U been told

good day,,,,,,,,

101G.

 

[Fool]

Actually the angel giving John the message is not wrong. That angel identifies the beast, and did not say it represents man. Should we believe the angel, or you?

Self should know. The road to hell is paved with good intentions motivated by beliefs.

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[metis]

Take your time. Just answer my question. Fair is fair.

First of all, you misrepresented where I was coming from in your post #209.

Secondly, all of us in theology do well know that interpretations on even one item can often vary tremendously, plus if one does theological studies seriously in a mixed effort, intelligent people can often have differing interpretations over the interpretation and possible application of a single narrative.

The Book of Revelation is packed full symbolism, and let me just use one example: "666" and its variation ["626" I believe]. OK, whom does this stand for? [Probably Caesar Nero-- var. Caesar-God per the ancient Jewish tradition of converting letters into numbers]

I was thinking about getting into more, but I don't have that much time, so enjoy the rest of the weekend.

 

[2ndpillar]

First of all, you misrepresented where I was coming from in your post #209.

Secondly, all of us in theology do well know that interpretations on even one item can often vary tremendously, plus if one does theological studies seriously in a mixed effort, intelligent people can often have differing interpretations over the interpretation and possible application of a single narrative.

The Book of Revelation is packed full symbolism, and let me just use one example: "666" and its variation ["626" I believe]. OK, whom does this stand for? [Probably Caesar Nero-- var. Caesar-God per the ancient Jewish tradition of converting letters into numbers]

I was thinking about getting into more, but I don't have that much time, so enjoy the rest of the weekend.

According to Yeshua, understanding is withheld from the "wise and intelligent, and revealed to the babes" (Matthew 11:25). As with regards to 666, the oldest version is 616. Nero didn't, "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:11-14) nor did his influence reign for time, times and half a time until it will be "annihilated and destroyed forever" (Daniel 7:25-26). The "beast with two horns like a lamb" was the Roman emperor Constantine, whose number of his name is 616, and his deception is with regards to his god Sol Invictus, the "dragon" who gave authority to the kings, who supported the "woman" (Revelation 13:4 & 17:3), the daughters of Babylon, which included the Roman Catholic Church, which will eventually "fall" per Matthew 7:27 & Isaiah 22:15-25. As for who has "understanding" to know who the number of the beast refers to, that would not be the wicked (Daniel 12:10), those who "commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:39-42), the followers of the false gospel of grace/lawlessness, who are to be thrown into the "furnace of fire" at the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:30), but to those with insight, which according to Matthew 11:25, excludes your "intelligent people". The "angels" of the LORD are coming for those "who commit lawlessness", and not to serve parfaits to the educated elites.

 

[nPeace]

First of all, you misrepresented where I was coming from in your post #209.

Not at all. I got where you were coming from. That is exactly the reason for my question.

Secondly, all of us in theology do well know that interpretations on even one item can often vary tremendously, plus if one does theological studies seriously in a mixed effort, intelligent people can often have differing interpretations over the interpretation and possible application of a single narrative.

Interpretations on what an individual says... even you or I... can vary.
That is why listening to the person explain themselves, is better.

The Bible does that. It explains.
For example, the angel Gabriel gave Daniel visions. He explained certain details, which helped with other details.

The angel sent by Jesus, to john, explained some of the signs, making other details understandable.When there is an explanation, there is no need for further interpretations.
If you explained something to everyone, and I want to interpret it as I see it, I am the one in problems, not you.
Those who want to interpret texts, in the Bible, when the explanation is there, that's their problem, not the Bible's... nor Jesus'.

Hence why Jesus said, Let him those that have ears to hear, listen. In other words, discernment on the part of the faithful, would reveal much.
Matthew 13:11-16 bares this out.

The Book of Revelation is packed full symbolism, and let me just use one example: "666" and its variation ["626" I believe]. OK, whom does this stand for? [Probably Caesar Nero-- var. Caesar-God per the ancient Jewish tradition of converting letters into numbers]

Just a note... I apply the words of Paul, in areas where there are no details that can help us discern a sign. 1 Corinthians 4:6

Of the number "666", the Bible says, it is a man's number. Right away, that is a clue. It's not divine - perfect - complete.
How do we know. The number seven in the Bible, is usually used for completeness.
This is seen from a number of texts in the Bible, including the book of Revelation.

The angel said, "Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.” - Revelation 13:17, 18.
So discernment is needed, and one should be able to know with all certainty, why it cannot be the Roman Empire.

For one thing, Rome is one of the heads of the beast. It's not the entire beast, and Rome was superseded by another world power - the seventh head, which is also the eighth.
So Rome is definitely out of the question.

I'll PM you the info, on identifying the mark of the beast.

I was thinking about getting into more, but I don't have that much time, so enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Thanks. You as well.

 

[metis]

According to Yeshua, understanding is withheld from the "wise and intelligent, and revealed to the babes" (Matthew 11:25). As with regards to 666, the oldest version is 616. Nero didn't, "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:11-14) nor did his influence reign for time, times and half a time until it will be "annihilated and destroyed forever" (Daniel 7:25-26). The "beast with two horns like a lamb" was the Roman emperor Constantine, whose number of his name is 616, and his deception is with regards to his god Sol Invictus, the "dragon" who gave authority to the kings, who supported the "woman" (Revelation 13:4 & 17:3), the daughters of Babylon, which included the Roman Catholic Church, which will eventually "fall" per Matthew 7:27 & Isaiah 22:15-25. As for who has "understanding" to know who the number of the beast refers to, that would not be the wicked (Daniel 12:10), those who "commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:39-42), the followers of the false gospel of grace/lawlessness, who are to be thrown into the "furnace of fire" at the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:30), but to those with insight, which according to Matthew 11:25, excludes your "intelligent people". The "angels" of the LORD are coming for those "who commit lawlessness", and not to serve parfaits to the educated elites.

Sorry to say, but you really have no clue what you're talking about even at the most basic common-sense level.

Revelation was written for the Church ["the Way"] at the end of the 1st century, thus is MUST have made sense for them at that time. At that time, the "Roman Catholic Church", which you have mislabeled btw, wasn't called that, nor would "Roman" be used for many centuries later. And Constantine didn't make the scene until the 4th century. And if "intelligent people" are supposedly so off base, then I guess that leaves the "ignorant" on your side.

And maybe work on trying to get rid of the religious bigotry you're displaying here as I didn't do that to you, nor would I, which I do believe that Paul made very clear when he said to beware of those who cause division.

 

[metis]

Not at all. I got where you were coming from. That is exactly the reason for my question.


Interpretations on what an individual says... even you or I... can vary.
That is why listening to the person explain themselves, is better.

The Bible does that. It explains.
For example, the angel Gabriel gave Daniel visions. He explained certain details, which helped with other details.

The angel sent by Jesus, to john, explained some of the signs, making other details understandable.When there is an explanation, there is no need for further interpretations.
If you explained something to everyone, and I want to interpret it as I see it, I am the one in problems, not you.
Those who want to interpret texts, in the Bible, when the explanation is there, that's their problem, not the Bible's... nor Jesus'.

Hence why Jesus said, Let him those that have ears to hear, listen. In other words, discernment on the part of the faithful, would reveal much.
Matthew 13:11-16 bares this out.


Just a note... I apply the words of Paul, in areas where there are no details that can help us discern a sign. 1 Corinthians 4:6

Of the number "666", the Bible says, it is a man's number. Right away, that is a clue. It's not divine - perfect - complete.
How do we know. The number seven in the Bible, is usually used for completeness.
This is seen from a number of texts in the Bible, including the book of Revelation.

The angel said, "Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.” - Revelation 13:17, 18.
So discernment is needed, and one should be able to know with all certainty, why it cannot be the Roman Empire.

For one thing, Rome is one of the heads of the beast. It's not the entire beast, and Rome was superseded by another world power - the seventh head, which is also the eighth.
So Rome is definitely out of the question.

I'll PM you the info, on identifying the mark of the beast.


Thanks. You as well.

I hate to say this but the above is nothing less than arrogant nonsense matched with religious bigotry that Paul warned us about. [see my last post above] You say things as if they were slam-dunk facts when they are opinions which you are told you must believe by the Governing Body.

All organizations of all types have their own teachings and rules, and the JW's do much the same and for good reason. I have no problems with that and, as a matter of fact, I strongly share in the JW teaching on being non-violent for just one example. I love the dedication of JW's, but I wish believers had more right to express differences with the GB without fear of disfellowshipping, plus be more encouraged to further their education and not shun post-high school education. After all, slave owners kept their slaves in check by making certain they weren't much educated beyond what they were forced to do labor wise. But then that's a JW issue to decide.

Take care.

 

[nPeace]

Sorry to say, but you really have no clue what you're talking about even at the most basic common-sense level.

Revelation was written for the Church ["the Way"] at the end of the 1st century, thus is MUST have made sense for them at that time. At that time, the "Roman Catholic Church", which you have mislabeled btw, wasn't called that, nor would "Roman" be used for many centuries later. And Constantine didn't make the scene until the 4th century. And if "intelligent people" are supposedly so off base, then I guess that leaves the "ignorant" on your side.

And maybe work on trying to get rid of the religious bigotry you're displaying here as I didn't do that to you, nor would I, which I do believe that Paul made very clear when he said to beware of those who cause division.

Careful. Paul is Satan's minister... according to @2ndpillar Lol