Can you Unravel the Mystery?

[nPeace]

I hate to say this but the above is nothing less than arrogant nonsense matched with religious bigotry that Paul warned us about. [see my last post above] You say things as if they were slam-dunk facts when they are opinions which you are told you must believe by the Governing Body.

All organizations of all types have their own teachings and rules, and the JW's do much the same and for good reason. I have no problems with that and, as a matter of fact, I strongly share in the JW teaching on being non-violent for just one example. I love the dedication of JW's, but I wish believers had more right to express differences with the GB without fear of disfellowshipping, plus be more encouraged to further their education and not shun post-high school education. After all, slave owners kept their slaves in check by making certain they weren't much educated beyond what they were forced to do labor wise. But then that's a JW issue to decide.

Take care.

I see you haven't lost your touch.
You have not addressed the post... You only attacked the poster, his religion, and his religious beliefs.
I have not done that. See your post above. Lol

 

[2ndpillar]

Careful. Paul is Satan's minister... according to @2ndpillar Lol

According to Paul, it was Paul's associate "Satan", who kept Paul's pride in check by giving him a pain in the side. According to Revelation 16:13, it is the "false prophet" Paul's "demon spirit", along with demon spirit of the "devil", and the "beast" who are now gathering the leaders/kings to come to Har-Magedon, the valley of Megiddo, which is outside of Jerusalem. For the beast and the "false prophet" have already died and live only in the hearts of men as demons. We are now in the era of the 8th head/king of the beast, who has 10 horns, who "was" and "is not" at the time of the writing of Revelation 17:11.

 

[2ndpillar]

Sorry to say, but you really have no clue what you're talking about even at the most basic common-sense level.

Revelation was written for the Church ["the Way"] at the end of the 1st century, thus is MUST have made sense for them at that time. At that time, the "Roman Catholic Church", which you have mislabeled btw, wasn't called that, nor would "Roman" be used for many centuries later. And Constantine didn't make the scene until the 4th century. And if "intelligent people" are supposedly so off base, then I guess that leaves the "ignorant" on your side.

And maybe work on trying to get rid of the religious bigotry you're displaying here as I didn't do that to you, nor would I, which I do believe that Paul made very clear when he said to beware of those who cause division.

Revelation was given "to show to his bond-servants" (Revelation 1:1). He did not mention the "daughters of Babylon" (Revelation 17:5) in the introduction. He did mention the "church of Ephesus, a home of the false prophet Paul, who was alluded to as "those who call themselves apostles, and they are not". The "another beast" of Revelation 13:11, the beast with two horns like a lamb, was the 7th head of the beast, the Roman emperor Constantine, who estblished the dogma of the Roman Catholic church at his Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D.. It was apparently Paul who caused division, and was thrown out of Jerusalem by the Jews, and apparently killed by Nero in Rome for causing strive in Rome between his followers and the followers of Peter. Apparently the strive continues between "Christian" followers of Paul, and the Jews, who remain persecuted by various Christian followers, such as Hitler and Stalin, who were both raised "Christian". Hopefully the "babes" (Mathhew 11:25) who were given revelation are on my side.
Matthew 11:25 New American Standard Bible
At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and have revealed them to infants.

 

[metis]

I see you haven't lost your touch.
You have not addressed the post... You only attacked the poster, his religion, and his religious beliefs.

Absolutely false because if you read what I actually posted without prejudice then you would clearly see that I attacked the position, not the poster nor the JW's as a whole. Matter of fact, what I posted at the end should clearly show you that I was not attacking the JW's but only some positions they take.

If you can't be honest about this, then please just consider putting me on your "ignore list", OK?

 

[Muffled]

Do you have a 2nd witness that can confirm that appraisal? (Matthew 18:16) I am thinking that simply making that statement is hubris on your part, which if Satan takes pity on you, you may receive a pain in the side. I think John's point was that one must compare the "Word of God" (Revelation 19:13) versus the message (tare seed) of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:38-39). As the "many" (Matthew 7:13) are "deceived" (Revelation 13:11-14), I will refrain from taking your word.

I believe the proof is in the pudding: I asked for the gift and an event quickly followed. I don't know anyone spiritual enough to verify my gift.

 

[Muffled]

if you believe this, then prove the verse in ERROR, for 101G did not speak it to be written, God did. so take it up with God.

101G

I have no problem with the verse and the city is definitely Jerusalem but not because of that verse which is not in context with Revelation.

 

[101G]

I have no problem with the verse and the city is definitely Jerusalem but not because of that verse which is not in context with Revelation.

well again, prove God wrong

101G.

 

[2ndpillar]

I believe the proof is in the pudding: I asked for the gift and an event quickly followed. I don't know anyone spiritual enough to verify my gift.

I think that kind of proof is quite subjective. Maybe you should check in front of a witness. Asked a friend to be with you and ask for God to make you better looking, and without putting a portrait in the attic.

 

[nPeace]

Absolutely false because if you read what I actually posted without prejudice then you would clearly see that I attacked the position, not the poster nor the JW's as a whole. Matter of fact, what I posted at the end should clearly show you that I was not attacking the JW's but only some positions they take.

If you can't be honest about this, then please just consider putting me on your "ignore list", OK?

Again?
You don't see it do you.
I have not done what you are doing. First, I am a bigot. Now I am dishonest.
When will you ever see what you are doing is what you accuse others of?. Or does Catholicism do that to its members?
You always threaten to put me on ignore, but you never do.
You don't have to talk to me, you know.

 

[metis]

You don't see it do you.

Oh, I see it quite well.

First, I am a bigot. Now I am dishonest.

I didn't call you a "bigot" as I don't use name-calling, but you clearly slip into religious bigotry at times, such as now. I'm not the one who struts around and declares all non-JW denominations as being into "Christendom", thus supposedly being not "true Christians". I don't do that to any denomination, including yours.

When will you ever see what you are doing is what you accuse others of?. Or does Catholicism do that to its members?

Gotta get your dig in, right nPeace?

I said I don't have any bones with the JW's, so what is it about this that you don't understand?

You always threaten to put me on ignore, but you never do.

I rarely comment on anything you post and for good reason.

 

[nPeace]

Oh, I see it quite well.

I didn't call you a "bigot" as I don't use name-calling, but you clearly slip into religious bigotry at times, such as now. I'm not the one who struts around and declares all non-JW denominations as being into "Christendom", thus supposedly being not "true Christians". I don't do that to any denomination, including yours.

Gotta get your dig in, right nPeace?

I said I don't have any bones with the JW's, so what is it about this that you don't understand?

I rarely comment on anything you post and for good reason.

On your last comment, Yes, I know. I usually wish it was never, because it always goes like this. I told you as much.
I remembered the time I tried ... I really tried, and almost got my head taken off. Since then, I was more than happy not to hear from you.

Not that I wouldn't mind if there was peace between us, but I know that won't happen, for the simple reason, that there are some people that can only be peaceful with you, when you say things they want to hear.
Say something they don't want to hear, and you get it good.

 

[2ndpillar]

Oh, I see it quite well.

I didn't call you a "bigot" as I don't use name-calling, but you clearly slip into religious bigotry at times, such as now. I'm not the one who struts around and declares all non-JW denominations as being into "Christendom", thus supposedly being not "true Christians". I don't do that to any denomination, including yours.

Gotta get your dig in, right nPeace?

I said I don't have any bones with the JW's, so what is it about this that you don't understand?

I rarely comment on anything you post and for good reason.

If she is into "bigotry", how is she then not a "bigot"? If you were a good Roman Catholic, and believed in the Nicene Creed, then you would only believe in "one" "holy" church. Are you a "true" Roman Catholic "Christian" or not?

Nicene Creed: I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

 

[metis]

On your last comment, Yes, I know. I usually wish it was never, because it always goes like this. I told you as much.
I remembered the time I tried ... I really tried, and almost got my head taken off. Since then, I was more than happy not to hear from you.

Not that I wouldn't mind if there was peace between us, but I know that won't happen, for the simple reason, that there are some people that can only be peaceful with you, when you say things they want to hear.
Say something they don't want to hear, and you get it good.

It's so pathetic that you can point your finger at someone else and not realize there are three of your own fingers pointing right back at you.

Either way, I've had enough of the spouting that the JW's are the only true Christians and that all other denominations are into "Christendom". I've had enough of the JW anti-science agenda to the point that they can't even understand that the basic ToE is clearly even basic to common sense. I've had enough of those who believe that ignorance is better than intelligence and that even visiting and/or studying other denominations is somehow evil according to your GB. I've had enough of the lunacy of that the denomination that selected your and my biblical canon is somehow not really Christian. I've had enough of you demonizing anyone who dares disagree with you and/or a fellow JW.

And I've had enough of this "discussion".

 

[metis]

If you were a good Roman Catholic, and believed in the Nicene Creed, then you would only believe in "one" "holy" church. Are you a "true" Roman Catholic "Christian" or not?

That's my decision to make, not yours. On top of that, within Catholicism we parishioners have the right of personal discernment that you largely don't have with your GB.

 

[nPeace]

It's so pathetic that you can point your finger at someone else and not realize there are three of your own fingers pointing right back at you.

Don't do that to yourself. Considering oneself pathetic, sound quite bad.

Either way, I've had enough of the spouting that the JW's are the only true Christians and that all other denominations are into "Christendom". I've had enough of the JW anti-science agenda to the point that they can't even understand that the basic ToE is clearly even basic to common sense. I've had enough of those who believe that ignorance is better than intelligence and that even visiting and/or studying other denominations is somehow evil according to your GB. I've had enough of the lunacy of that the denomination that selected your and my biblical canon is somehow not really Christian. I've had enough of you demonizing anyone who dares disagree with you and/or a fellow JW.

And I've had enough of this "discussion".

So glad to hear that, but I have heard it before. I hope you mean it.

 

[nPeace]

That's my decision to make, not yours. On top of that, within Catholicism we parishioners have the right of personal discernment that you largely don't have with your GB.

I don't know why people tend to accuse everyone of being JW. Is it because everyone must agree with them. @2ndpillar is not under the GB.

 

[2ndpillar]

That's my decision to make, not yours. On top of that, within Catholicism we parishioners have the right of personal discernment that you largely don't have with your GB.

If you don't agree with a fundamental Roman Catholic Creed, why do you associate with the Roman Catholic Church? Why not just call your faith the Metis reorganized church of Rome or the church of "personal discernment", or the church of "Kalamazoo"? And what is GB? A gigabyte?

 

[metis]

I don't know why people tend to accuse everyone of being JW. Is it because everyone must agree with them. @2ndpillar is not under the GB.

Oops, I didn't realize this, so thanks.

 

[2ndpillar]

I don't know why people tend to accuse everyone of being JW. Is it because everyone must agree with them. @2ndpillar is not under the GB.

And what is a GB?

 

[nPeace]

And what is a GB?

Governing Body.