Capitalists may have the same mentality as Nazis: that people must be enslaved

[Revoltingest]

It's a pity that you didn't address the parallelism between the Auschwitz labor camp, IG Farben and Capitalism.

Not worth doing.
The thread is only about bashing capitalism.
No opportunity for real discussion, eg, that
capitalism is the least likely of any economic
system to employ slavery. That would be to
derail your thread.

 

[Estro Felino]

Not worth doing.
The thread is only about bashing capitalism.
No opportunity for real discussion, eg, that
capitalism is the least likely of any economic
system to employ slavery. That would be to
derail your thread.

I don't want to sound wicked...but I read lots of books...and not only in my mothertongue...
Philosophy, economics...
I was just wondering...do you really think I am the only one who has these ideas about Capitalism and slavery?
Don't you ever think I take these ideas from the books I read?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I have decided not to have children because I don't want my children to be enslaved by the rotten Capitalistic system.

We also didn't have children, but not for that reason. We simply didn't like being around them, and they would have cramped our lifestyle. Capitalism was not part of the formula. I would have expected them to thrive in system like we did and for the same reasons.

Today, I would add that the threat to democracy, the advent of extreme weather, and overpopulation are good reasons to not have children. You worry about kids becoming wage slaves, but I'd worry about them living under authoritarian rule. And what's coming with worsening climate change would be fairly terrifying to me if my life weren't already mostly over. I don't envy anybody dealing with that in twenty or forty years. Kids born today will have a lot to be angry at their ancestors about. We're leaving them a much worse world than the one we were born into.

These lyrics from a popular American song about the American Civil War come to mind:

Now, I don't mind chopping wood
And I don't care if the money's no good
You take what you need
And you leave the rest
But they should never
Have taken the very best​

 

[Kfox]

Quite simply, that is not a choice. Quite a few people do start their "own game". You may choose to hunt your own food. You may then get arrested for catching out of season, or its an endangered species or you may simply starve because the state/society has destroyed so much of the environment. Try fishing and there is a good chance that you are poaching.

If your clothes wear out you may be arrested for indecency. You may well be arrested as a vagrant anyway.
You are born into a system and it is near on impossible to escape it. You have to obey those laws and if they want to conscript you they will.

I am a part of society, for the most part I am happy to accept that. But, I am not under any illusion that I am free to start my own game. I will leave that to the revolutionaries.

You don't play your own game unless you live in your own society. You gotta go to one of those thousands of inhabited Islands in the pacific, and live by yourself with your own rules.

 

[Kfox]

If you are paying a worker 200 dollars a week for 50 hours a week...what are you? A benefactor?

If somebody is willing to sell their labor for $200 per week, am I not benefiting them by buying their labor?

Yes...especially in Africa...where capitalists exploit the desperate labor force.

Do you think that labor force be better off with no jobs at all?

 

[Father Heathen]

That's what transpires from Hannah Arendt's books : that the IG Farben demanded from the Nazis slave labor, and Jews were exploited so that the Capitalists that owned the IG Farben could obtain the profit maximization, and produce chemicals with basically zero costs of productions.

This is what Capitalism does to men: it transforms them into greedy people, who lose their humanhood, so I am entitled to call them greedy wolves.
Greedy, sadistic wolves disposed to enjoy seeing Jews dying while working in those camps.
They even built their factories around Auschwitz on purpose.
It's all in Hannah Arendt's book The banality of evil.

Thoughts?

If you hate capitalism, then why you idolize so many far-right figures? It makes no sense, at all.

 

[Estro Felino]

If somebody is willing to sell their labor for $200 per week, am I not benefiting them by buying their labor?

I asked you whether it's fair.

Do you think that labor force be better off with no jobs at all?

No, if I were the State, I mean Prime Minister, I would encourage people to improve their lives, I wouldn't want people to be exploited.

 

[Father Heathen]

They could always quit

In many poor countries their only options be either endure exploitation or starve. Ever heard of sweat shops?

 

[Estro Felino]

If you hate capitalism, then why you idolize so many far-right figures? It makes no sense, at all.

For the record: Fitso, the PM who is called far-right in the USA, is actually a socialist.
Do you know why the Americans call him far-right? Because he supports Russia...and maybe Putin too.

Do you know what socialism is in Europe?

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't want to sound wicked...but I read lots of books...and not only in my mothertongue...
Philosophy, economics...
I was just wondering...do you really think I am the only one who has these ideas about Capitalism and slavery?
Don't you ever think I take these ideas from the books I read?

Given the views that you've expressed on this forum, it calls into question the reputability of your sources.

 

[Father Heathen]

For the record: Fitso, the PM who is called far-right in the USA, is actually a socialist.
Do you know why the Americans call him far-right? Because he supports Russia...and maybe Putin too.

Do you know what socialism is in Europe?

Do you not have any awareness or understanding of the political compass? The Political Compass - Wikipedia

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

For the record: Fitso, the PM who is called far-right in the USA, is actually a socialist.
Do you know why the Americans call him far-right? Because he supports Russia...and maybe Putin too.

Do you know what socialism is in Europe?

Well, if you read about him on Wiki there is more to him, than your claim.

 

[Balthazzar]

That's what transpires from Hannah Arendt's books : that the IG Farben demanded from the Nazis slave labor, and Jews were exploited so that the Capitalists that owned the IG Farben could obtain the profit maximization, and produce chemicals with basically zero costs of productions.

This is what Capitalism does to men: it transforms them into greedy people, who lose their humanhood, so I am entitled to call them greedy wolves.
Greedy, sadistic wolves disposed to enjoy seeing Jews dying while working in those camps.
They even built their factories around Auschwitz on purpose.
It's all in Hannah Arendt's book The banality of evil.

Thoughts?

Capitalism sets up the ability for people to pursue wealth and prosperity. Many, after succeeding as "capitalists" become less apt to consider work conditions, fair wages, etc. which in our world becomes difficult to escape from, due to expectations and needs as citizens. Business ethics come to mind for this reason. It's not capitalism that becomes the evil, it's the condition of the human psyche ... what some people refer to as the heart. Priorities are duly noted, no matter which side of the equation we reside and if I suggested we didn't require some sort of restoration of the ethical type, I'd be lying. I'd prefer not to negate or discard capitalism. I'd prefer that people were more ethical in their practices. This may take quite some time, and people will very likely continue to be taken advantage of by these "greedy wolves" you mention. Don't get me wrong, I view myself to be a wolf also. Only, I'm a very different species of wolf than those who make practice of taking advantage of others. I think it takes certain types of people to counter other certain types of people. Twilight (the move) I think favors this type of symbolic reality of life. I'm sure there are both types on all sides involved in our worldly affairs. Blood sucking Vampires without general concern for human wellbeing and Vampire types able to counter these types, along with wolves who are not set against the general well-being of humans, but rather in league with other types who actively battle against injustices.

 

[Kfox]

I asked you whether it's fair.

Yes. If 2 people agree on something that doesn't meet my personal standards, who am I to say what they agreed upon is unfair?

No, if I were the State, I mean Prime Minister, I would encourage people to improve their lives, I wouldn't want people to be exploited.

An argument can be made that the Prime Minister does more exploitation of the people he is supposed to represent, than all the corporations combined.

 

[Kfox]

In many poor countries their only options be either endure exploitation or starve. Ever heard of sweat shops?

Sooooo in your view, they would be better off starving? I respectfully disagree!

 

[Nakosis]

That's what transpires from Hannah Arendt's books : that the IG Farben demanded from the Nazis slave labor, and Jews were exploited so that the Capitalists that owned the IG Farben could obtain the profit maximization, and produce chemicals with basically zero costs of productions.

This is what Capitalism does to men: it transforms them into greedy people, who lose their humanhood, so I am entitled to call them greedy wolves.
Greedy, sadistic wolves disposed to enjoy seeing Jews dying while working in those camps.
They even built their factories around Auschwitz on purpose.
It's all in Hannah Arendt's book The banality of evil.

Thoughts?

The problem here seems to be the trend of humans to not think for themselves. To run with the herd. This is the nature of most men.
I doubt imposing another economic system is going to change that.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't want to sound wicked...

How disappointed you must then be.

....but I read lots of books...and not only in my mothertongue...
Philosophy, economics...

Do you imagine that other people don't read?

I was just wondering...do you really think I am the only one who has these ideas about Capitalism and slavery?

The world is full of dreamers, lunatics & pseudo-sophisticates.

Don't you ever think I take these ideas from the books I read?

Reading a book is no guarantee
the book is cromulent. Also, bad
ideas & factoids are always popular.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thoughts?

Goddless.
Satanic.
And now wolves?

Thoughts?

Ben and Jerry are Nazis?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not worth doing.
The thread is only about bashing capitalism.
No opportunity for real discussion, eg, that
capitalism is the least likely of any economic
system to employ slavery. That would be to
derail your thread.

Capitalism had slavery up until the moment it was banned. Still does in America.

 

[Revoltingest]

Capitalism had slavery up until the moment it was banned. Still does in America.

Of course it did.
Every system has.
But slavery isn't fundamental to capitalism
These days, it's merely one of the crimes
that can afflict society.
To say more would offend the OP's desiire
to avoid discussion of other systems.