Arnaud1221
Red-hood
There is level of capitalism or a spectrum. At the far right, it's true, it's damn nuts. But at moderation or the centre, it's good to see the citizen taking care of their finance and expense.
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I had a staff of three, one being my wife. She didn't take a paycheck and so didn't pay income taxes or accrue Social Security benefits, but like me, has lived on what the office generated then and now, fifteen years since closing the office. The other two - a receptionist and a back-office assistant - made $12/hr. in 2009, our last year open. Prevailing wages for those jobs were about $10/hr. My income was six figures.How many workers did you employ? What were their wages compared to your profit?
So you really were a capitalist, owning means of production and employing people. I wasn't sure about that.I had a staff of three, one being my wife. She didn't take a paycheck and so didn't pay income taxes or accrue Social Security benefits, but like me, has lived on what the office generated then and now, fifteen years since closing the office. The other two - a receptionist and a back-office assistant - made $12/hr. in 2009, our last year open. Prevailing wages for those jobs were about $10/hr. My income was six figures.
Which is what leftists do 24/7 when they talk about Fox News.Dismissing something as "inaccurate" solely because it doesn't favor your narrative is a bit childish, don't you think?
Books don’t prove if Nigeria were a socialist country, that their economic outlook would be improved.Economist Bifarini: Title of the Book: Africa, neo-liberism and mass migration.
But the leadership of these countries consent to this. What indication do you have if these Nations were Socialist, that the leadership wouldn’t consent to such thievery?With a Marshall Plan that would nationalize all the resources and raw materials, especially metals and rainforests.
I have some news for you: in Africa there are thieves and robbers who steal these resources from these nations.
Capitalists.
So it’s exploitation you have a problem with? That’s a completely different argument. The person I was responding to was making the argument things would be much better if we got rid of capitalism and enacted socialism; but exploitation happens under socialism as well, so changing systems won’t solve anythingNope. Never said or implied anything of the sort. I was merely saying that in some places/situations, people don't have the option of quitting even if the work conditions and pay are terrible. Taking advantage of such people who have no other choice by overworking and underpaying them is unethical. For example, children working long hours in sweatshops or in extremely dangerous conditions for pennies. It's not capitalism that bothers me (when practiced ethically). It's exploitation.
Do you mind me asking what kind of studies did you undertake?Books don’t prove if Nigeria were a socialist country, that their economic outlook would be improved.
My point is that foreign robbers steal these resources.But the leadership of these countries consent to this. What indication do you have if these Nations were Socialist, that the leadership wouldn’t consent to such thievery?
What point are you making? Are you saying if the countries extracting resources from these African nations were socialist, that they wouldn’t want to extract their resources? Or are you saying if African nations were socialist, these countries that extracted resources wouldn’t have no interest in doing so; which point are you making?
None; I've never went to school a day in my life. Does that matter?Do you mind me asking what kind of studies did you undertake?
That's different. Before you said it was due to Capitalism that Africa is in the financial situation they find themselves; now you seem to be saying something different.My point is that foreign robbers steal these resources.
In Niger the people rose up against these vulgar thieves.
Personally, I support a well-regulated capitalist economy tempered with socialism to support the commonwealth (infrastructure, military, police), support human development (free public education, small business start-up loans, public health care, GI bill) and for the unlucky (disabled, mentally ill, homeless).The far left wants everybody to get the same, and the far right wants to allow the capitalists to get away with anything they can grab (tax-free).
I'd answer in terms of total wealth. I'd say that once you have enough to live on comfortably, you needn't do anything for money again. Of course, some people never have enough. They are greedy.What would be your threshold for an income to be called greedy?
The question is: Niger has uranium and gold.None; I've never went to school a day in my life. Does that matter?
That's different. Before you said it was due to Capitalism that Africa is in the financial situation they find themselves; now you seem to be saying something different.
Which is what leftists do 24/7 when they talk about Fox News.
European media is generally left leaning. Also, Fox News is a single outlet, whereas Europe has multiple outlets, so your comparison makes zero sense.Or European media. (From EU not from UK)
The ones who already possess it (Niger)?The question is: Niger has uranium and gold.
Who deserves to own these raw materials?
What's needed is balance.So it’s exploitation you have a problem with? That’s a completely different argument. The person I was responding to was making the argument things would be much better if we got rid of capitalism and enacted socialism; but exploitation happens under socialism as well, so changing systems won’t solve anything
You guess?The materials had already been bought...I guess.
Note also that this greater income is also mitigated by....So you really were a capitalist, owning means of production and employing people. I wasn't sure about that.
And your income (was that income after costs and taxes?) was about five times that of your workers. A reasonable amount, given your education and risk (and most probably work hours and dedication), at least in my mind. A communist might find that to be outrageous exploitation.
That's what transpires from Hannah Arendt's books : that the IG Farben demanded from the Nazis slave labor, and Jews were exploited so that the Capitalists that owned the IG Farben could obtain the profit maximization, and produce chemicals with basically zero costs of productions.
This is what Capitalism does to men: it transforms them into greedy people, who lose their humanhood, so I am entitled to call them greedy wolves.
Greedy, sadistic wolves disposed to enjoy seeing Jews dying while working in those camps.
They even built their factories around Auschwitz on purpose.
It's all in Hannah Arendt's book The banality of evil.
Thoughts?
I also remind you that if anti-Natalism prevailed and people stopped procreating, Capitalists would cease to exist.Note also that this greater income is also mitigated by....
- Employee compensation being greater than $10/hour
because over & above that, the employer pays payroll
taxes & benfits.
- Owner compensation is for 2 people, not one,
because the spouse was nominally unpaid.
The Niger State.The ones who already possess it (Niger)?
What's the point of such a stupidI also remind you that if anti-Natalism prevailed and people stopped procreating, Capitalists would cease to exist.
Exactly.The Niger State.