Catholics Blame Gays for their Pedophile Problem

[AxisMundi]

Nope.
You are the one who has made accusations and then refuses to present anything to support said accusations.

I do not know about in your little world, but here in the really real world, that does nothing to help your credibility and loads to diminishing it.

I'm am totally uninterested in what you think of my credibility, as your opinion matters little to me.

 

[McBell]

I'm am totally uninterested in what you think of my credibility, as your opinion matters little to me.

Thus I must conclude that you made false accusations.

Now I cannot help but wonder why you are so obsesses with other peoples credibility since you don't give two rat farts about your own.

 

[Father Heathen]

See, these are the kind of threads I like.

 

[Alceste]

Why does it seem that boys were molested far more often than girls?

The majority of molestations took place in the priest's home or on a holiday - maybe people don't send their girl children on holiday with priests? AFAIK, pedophiles are not usually very strict about the gender of their victims. I'm thinking access was the main thing.

 

[Alceste]

But being the person who hurt them very deeply and profoundly, how could they have any sort of empathy for them? It doesn't make any sense to me. If those who hurt me in the past had happen to them the very same things they did to me, I would get some sense of satisfaction out of it. You understand the concept and idea of karma, don't you? Why shouldn't anyone, no matter who they are or what they do, have an firsthand understanding and awareness of the very things they do to others?

How can women have empathy for abusive husbands and boyfriends? I don't know, but the evidence is all around us that they do.

It's what makes rape and murder wrong that bothers me; it's the violating the rights of or victimizing an innocent person. That is what makes it wrong. But if the person is NOT innocent, then my empathy is vastly diminished. THAT is the important difference.

That's the kind of mentality behind the interrogation of rape victims in court, which puts many women off from aiding a rape prosecution. "What were you wearing? Did you let him buy you a drink? How many partners have you had? Have you ever taken money for sex? How many drinks did you have?" etc. It is not more wrong to rape someone who is "innocent" than it is to rape a whore. Rape is rape.

Child molestation is in a different category not because children are "innocent" (what child is "innocent"?), but because they are not psychologically equipped to consent to sex or deal with the consequences.

Like I've already said, so wasn't advocating rape as a punishment. I was just saying people who prey on women and children, causing life long psychological/emotional scars, perhaps deserve a dose of their own medicine. I mean really, why not?

Well, I gave the reason why not - perpetuating violence - even against criminals - is not in the interest of public security in the long term. I also said that on a strictly emotional level, I don't mind if pedophiles are mistreated. To be honest, I would prefer them to be put down like dangerous dogs are put down - not out of punishment or revenge, but out of pragmatic concern for public security.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Very wrong.

Pedophilia and homosexuality are two distinctly different, and totally unrelated, subjects.

A pedophile is fixated on the AGE of their victims, not the gender.

A homosexual differs only in the target gender of their affections, otherwise they are identical to any hetero. Gays seek meaningful relationships with other adults of the same gender, where pedophiles are all but incapable of having a meaningful intimate relationship with another adult.

Your comments also refuse the simple fact that, by far, more girls are the victims of men.

Hmm, I think you misunderstood what I said. I didn't say gays = pedophiles.

We see more boys attacked by priests merely because not even a second thought is generally given about a male priest being in the company of a young boy, and the system is almost set up to cater to pedophiles, with choir and alter boys.

Right. That's one of the factors I noted.

However, to call these men "gay" is just another cheap shot the Church can take at the homosexual community, a cheap shot unfounded in anything approaching reality.

That's a totally fair point, but there are both gays and straights who might have relations with attractive post-pubescent teenagers, that's not pedophilia, but it is illegal and inappropriate. The OP quoted Donahue as saying that 3/4 of these cases involved post-pubescent teens .... if that's "pedophilia" then there are a lot of heterosexual men who enjoyed Brittany Spears in her early days who are, apparently, not "heterosexuals" after all, they are pedophiles.

Or was Donahue totally off base? I don't know why I assumed anything he said was factual....

 

[Autodidact]

If "three out of four" of the victims were "post-pubescent" boys (whatever that means), and that makes it a "gay thing", what does it mean that four out of four of these child molesters are Catholic? I guess that means there is 25 % greater correlation between being Catholic and being a gay child molester than there is simply being a gay child molester.

Not to mention the extremely high correlation with being a Priest.

 

[Autodidact]

Why does it seem that boys were molested far more often than girls?

Interesting question. I don't know. *goes off to think about it.*

 

[Autodidact]

Good question. Anyone?

One possibility is that devout Catholics who are gay have more motivation to become priests than devout Catholics who are straight. If you're straight, and you like sex, the Catholic Church has no problem with that -- just don't become a priest. But if you're gay, you have to keep it all bottled up inside, according to the Church, and becoming a priest might seem like a solution. Becoming a priest also gives cover for their lack of interest in getting a wife and raising a "good Catholic family". As a result, a higher proportion of priests are not only gay, but people who would otherwise be sexually active. And perhaps a higher proportion of devout Catholic post-pubescent boys who would go and confide in a priest are gay .... so, a higher proportion of the molestations are boys .... Finally, maybe for decades it was always considered suspicious for a priest to be spending a lot of time with a young girl, so that was frowned upon, but priests spending time with young boys was thought of as good and proper mentoring and guidance, that was allowed.

These are just guesses, I could be wrong.

I think you're on to something. If you're a devout Catholic, and you're gay, then becoming a priest might appear as a solution--you have to be celibate anyway, so that's works out anyway. That will help me not to gay things. Then I wonder if on some level there's a subconscious realization that if it doesn't work out to help the individual not act on their sexual desires, it will help them access sexual partners who will not be in a position to reveal the truth. Something in and around there.

It seems like in other areas, men who are attracted to teenage boys often gravitate to positions of trust and supervision over them, even sometimes taking a position of leadership to protect them from sexual exploitation, like Mark Foley. There's some kind of weird psychology going on, and I wish one of them would come clean and explain it.

 

[logician]

Why does it seem that boys were molested far more often than girls?

Much easier access.

 

[Father Heathen]

How can women have empathy for abusive husbands and boyfriends? I don't know, but the evidence is all around us that they do.




That's the kind of mentality behind the interrogation of rape victims in court, which puts many women off from aiding a rape prosecution. "What were you wearing? Did you let him buy you a drink? How many partners have you had? Have you ever taken money for sex? How many drinks did you have?" etc. It is not more wrong to rape someone who is "innocent" than it is to rape a whore. Rape is rape.

Child molestation is in a different category not because children are "innocent" (what child is "innocent"?), but because they are not psychologically equipped to consent to sex or deal with the consequences.



Well, I gave the reason why not - perpetuating violence - even against criminals - is not in the interest of public security in the long term. I also said that on a strictly emotional level, I don't mind if pedophiles are mistreated. To be honest, I would prefer them to be put down like dangerous dogs are put down - not out of punishment or revenge, but out of pragmatic concern for public security.

Fair enough.

 

[sonofskeptish]

Pedophiles are not usually very strict about the gender of their victims.

This surprises me... is this really the case?

 

[Sunstone]

This surprises me... is this really the case?

That's what I've heard too.

 

[Alceste]

This surprises me... is this really the case?

Frankly, there's not much difference between pre-pubescent girls and boys. That's the whole point of puberty. Why would a pedophile prefer one over the other?

I got this impression from a documentary called Voleurs d'Enfance about social services in Quebec. The pedophiles in that film abused all their children regardless of gender.

A pretty weak reference, I know, but I'm pretty confident that if I look up a stronger reference it will bear out my claim.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I think you're on to something. If you're a devout Catholic, and you're gay, then becoming a priest might appear as a solution--you have to be celibate anyway, so that's works out anyway. That will help me not to gay things. Then I wonder if on some level there's a subconscious realization that if it doesn't work out to help the individual not act on their sexual desires, it will help them access sexual partners who will not be in a position to reveal the truth. Something in and around there.

It seems like in other areas, men who are attracted to teenage boys often gravitate to positions of trust and supervision over them, even sometimes taking a position of leadership to protect them from sexual exploitation, like Mark Foley. There's some kind of weird psychology going on, and I wish one of them would come clean and explain it.

Maybe Sunstone could help us out here?

 

[Sunstone]

Maybe Sunstone could help us out here?

Now just because it's a weird psychology doesn't mean I understand it.

 

[footprints]

For the fourth or fifth time in this thread - I am not advocating that the pedophile be raped - by myself or anyone else. I am saying that while the pedophile is in prison, if another inmate decides to do so, I have no qualms about that, nor do I care. With that very impressive education of yours, try to follow along. Try to keep up, so that I don't have to put five more posts up, explaining that I do not advocate raping the pedophile. I also don't care if another inmate kills the pedophile. That does NOT mean that I am advocating the death penalty, but I'm sure you'll be able to misconstrue that position as well.

I will leave the rest alone, since reason has no effect.

Whether you see it or not, you are advocating rape. Not only that, but seeing as how you would have no qualms about an inmate raping, you are also advocating the right of some to rape in society and implying it is somehow okay, whilst simultaneously saying rape is wrong.

Either rape is wrong or rape is right, a person cannot have it both ways, unless they justify.

 

[footprints]

Why does it seem that boys were molested far more often than girls?

Simply because, that is how perception works. The media tend to highlight specific stories, paedophillia and religion hits two emotions in society where people have a known prejudice. This helps sell newspapers and forces people into watching or listening to the news.

Reality tells a different story and why we take statistics, to divide fact from fiction, or in this case, fact from human perception brought about by stories highlighted by media. Depending on specific countries in question, up to 6 or 7 girls out of every 10 are molested, as compared with 3 or 4 boys out of every ten being molested over the same period.

Sadly, many cases still go unreported.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Reality tells a different story and why we take statistics, to divide fact from fiction, or in this case, fact from human perception brought about by stories highlighted by media. Depending on specific countries in question, up to 6 or 7 girls out of every 10 are molested, as compared with 3 or 4 boys out of every ten being molested over the same period.

Sadly, many cases still go unreported.

Wow, 7/10 girls molested? By Catholic priests?

Source?

 

[footprints]

Wow, 7/10 girls molested? By Catholic priests?

Source?

LOL only in some very weird dreams.

Source: Mental Health Services.