Cats....All About Cats

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

Yes, for old times people used to throw cats from the top of churches, believing they were killing witches in disguise.

Black cats were especially favored for that... 'sport'.

I can't imagine imagine people cheering for that

 

[Revoltingest]

Appearance isn't everything. I just learnt that polar bears are actually black (skin colour), so perhaps these are the true devils.

Polar bears are the angels of the ursine world.

 

[Revoltingest]

But there wasn't. That's the point. There was no cat-killing episode in Europe, whether instigated by the church or otherwise. The whole thing seems to be an invention.

I begin to suspect that you're right.

 

[Stevicus]

But there wasn't. That's the point. There was no cat-killing episode in Europe, whether instigated by the church or otherwise. The whole thing seems to be an invention.

Yeah, and considering that people tend to have a liking of soft furry animals, it seems unlikely that very many people would condone a mass killing of cats.

For some reason I was reminded of this bit from DS9:

 

[ChristineM]

I was driving in my town and a guy ahead of me Mid 40s I'd say was driving and I saw him looking to the left and there was a black cat on the sidewalk that looked like it was about to bolt. He was saying something because his mouth was moving and I thought to myself "is this idiot really goi.." about that time the cat ran across and he slammed on his brakes and made a u- turn in the middle of the street evidently cursing. I am glad I was paying attention because I probably would have hit him.

Glad you were awake and missed an accident

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

They would have to be pretty good to be better than my cats....
What do you man by better?

well, they don't die on you,
for one

 

[Trailblazer]

well, they don't die on you,
for one

That is a legitimate point, but it is not their fault that they die.
You said "for one." What else?

 

[exchemist]

Remind me never to be a Catholic.....

Satan's minions? Firstly, there is no being called Satan, talk about superstition.
Secondly, anyone who would kill even one cat is pure evil.
IMO.

We have 10 Persian cats and our life revolves around them.
We both love them more than anything else in the world.

Read the thread. This whole story is a silly anti- Catholic myth.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

That is a legitimate point, but it is not their fault that they die.
You said "for one." What else?

You're right, it's not their fault, and I didn't mean that it was.
Just as it's not our fault that we die here.

This is hard to describe, but ALL "animals" will be "domesticated",
but not in the way we understand the term here now.

Because ALL the "animals" that created and sustain this reality (physical creation) ,
will be "domesticated" too.

 

[Trailblazer]

You're right, it's not their fault, and I didn't mean that it was.
Just as it's not our fault that we die here.

This is hard to describe, but ALL "animals" will be "domesticated",
but not in the way we understand the term here now.

Because ALL the "animals" that created and sustain this reality (physical creation) ,
will be "domesticated" too.

What do you mean by domesticated?
What is the source of your information?

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

What do you mean by domesticated?
What is the source of your information?

lol....well, my "source" is the "Source".
and "domesticated" has the meaning of "taming" a "wild" animal.

Only, people don't "know" this physical creation was created by and belongs to "animals".
"animal" in it's purest sense is just alluding to a "creature", which we are too, here as "humans".
and considered a "human animal" by this world's own definition.

And in this "flesh" that's exactly what we are, and why we have "evolved" physically....
BUT, we are "Spirit", and NOT "flesh"....we are Spirits in a body of flesh.
And it was "creatures" that made all this. Only they are superior to mere humans in the flesh.

They are superior because they have been here long before this universe was created.

Literal, physical animals here, are just a type, a representation, a "copy",
just like everything else here. "As above, so below "

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

lol....well, my "source" is the "Source".
and "domesticated" has the meaning of "taming" a "wild" animal.

Only, people don't "know" this physical creation was created by and belongs to "animals".
"animal" in it's purest sense is just alluding to a "creature", which we are too, here as "humans".
and considered a "human animal" by this world's own definition.

And in this "flesh" that's exactly what we are, and why we have "evolved" physically....
BUT, we are "Spirit", and NOT "flesh"....we are Spirits in a body of flesh.
And it was "creatures" that made all this. Only they are superior to mere humans in the flesh.

They are superior because they have been here long before this universe was created.

Literal, physical animals here, are just a type, a representation, a "copy",
just like everything else here. "As above, so below "

would someone like to address the "apparent" contradiction ?

 

[Trailblazer]

lol....well, my "source" is the "Source".
and "domesticated" has the meaning of "taming" a "wild" animal.

How did you obtain information from the Source?

Only, people don't "know" this physical creation was created by and belongs to "animals".
"animal" in it's purest sense is just alluding to a "creature", which we are too, here as "humans".
and considered a "human animal" by this world's own definition.

How did animals create this physical creation?

And in this "flesh" that's exactly what we are, and why we have "evolved" physically....
BUT, we are "Spirit", and NOT "flesh"....we are Spirits in a body of flesh.

Yes, I know that.

And it was "creatures" that made all this. Only they are superior to mere humans in the flesh.
They are superior because they have been here long before this universe was created.

What creatures, and how did they make it?

Literal, physical animals here, are just a type, a representation, a "copy",
just like everything else here. "As above, so below "

IF you mean that everything in this material world is a reflection of what is in the spiritual world, I agree.

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’ Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation.”‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, pp. 95-96

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.” The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

How did you obtain information from the Source?

How did animals create this physical creation?

Yes, I know that.

What creatures, and how did they make it?

IF you mean that everything in this material world is a reflection of what is in the spiritual world, I agree.

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’ Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation.”‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, pp. 95-96

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.” The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10

"animals " = creatures. There are an infinite number of "creatures" in this universe, dimensionally, and inter-dimensionally,
as we exist in a "multi-verse" ( not universe ). "Words", require many "verses" to communicate "Thought" (Truth).

We don't "have" a soul......we ARE "souls"
ALL "creatures" are "souls". All creatures are souls because the "god of this world", the Creator God is only "Soul".
There is NO "Spirit" in Him. He created this "world" (cosmos, physical creation) out of physical matter, including EVERY "soul".

"Spirit" is what separates humans from "animals" ( creatures ).
"Spirit" is UNCREATED, it is eternal, never had a beginning and will never cease to Be (Being).
We are "Spirit" that has been "trapped" in physical matter (flesh).

" then the Lord God formed the man (human) from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils
and the man became a living creature (soul) " ( Genesis 2:7 )

"human" = "humus man" = dirt man ( a clay model )……..a "copy".

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

How did you obtain information from the Source?

How did animals create this physical creation?

Yes, I know that.

What creatures, and how did they make it?

IF you mean that everything in this material world is a reflection of what is in the spiritual world, I agree.

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’ Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation.”‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, pp. 95-96

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.” The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10

The word "FATHER" means "Source".

 

[Cooky]

Just as an aside, years ago we were doing a job in a strange town and my guys wanted to eat on one of those seedy, strip mall Chinese restaurants. I thought I had found a hair in my Hunan chicken but was relieved to discover it was just a whisker...

Hmmm... Makes ya wonder... If you used it as floss.

 

[Cooky]

I just saw an interesting NOVA episode about cats.
I highly recommend it.

But one odd thing I ran across was how the Catholic Church
had an anti-cat campaign in the 1200s. Apparently cats are
Satan's minions. So they began to exterminate all they could
find, torturing them to death.
How odd...the Egyptians treated them as favored by a god.
Ref...
The Vicious Battle Between the Vatican and Cats

All cat comments are welcome.

Actually, the Vatican only killed black cats.
..Not a big deal.

 

[Cooky]

...When you see a black cat in the road when you're driving, you should always try to run it over so it doesn't 'cross' your path.

Because a T doesn't count as a cross +

 

[Left Coast]

I just saw an interesting NOVA episode about cats.
I highly recommend it.

But one odd thing I ran across was how the Catholic Church
had an anti-cat campaign in the 1200s. Apparently cats are
Satan's minions. So they began to exterminate all they could
find, torturing them to death.
How odd...the Egyptians treated them as favored by a god.
Ref...
The Vicious Battle Between the Vatican and Cats

All cat comments are welcome.

No wonder I like cats so much!

I love all animals, but cats have always had a special place in my heart. I love their independence and tendency to play hard-to-get. It makes their cuddles that much more rewarding.

 

[Trailblazer]

"animals " = creatures. There are an infinite number of "creatures" in this universe, dimensionally, and inter-dimensionally,
as we exist in a "multi-verse" ( not universe ). "Words", require many "verses" to communicate "Thought" (Truth).

Including animals? Have you seen them, however you see?
If animals continue to exist "in spirit" after they die, I consider it negligence on the part of scripture writers to omit something that important. Moreover, I hold God responsible for that omission.

We don't "have" a soul......we ARE "souls"
ALL "creatures" are "souls". All creatures are souls because the "god of this world", the Creator God is only "Soul".
There is NO "Spirit" in Him. He created this "world" (cosmos, physical creation) out of physical matter, including EVERY "soul".

What do you mean "All creatures are souls because the "god of this world", the Creator God is only "Soul".???"
What do you mean "There is NO "Spirit" in Him." ???

"Spirit" is what separates humans from "animals" ( creatures ).

What do you mean ""Spirit" is what separates humans from "animals" ( creatures )." ???

"Spirit" is UNCREATED, it is eternal, never had a beginning and will never cease to Be (Being).
We are "Spirit" that has been "trapped" in physical matter (flesh).

I agree that spirit is uncreated and had no beginning.
Are you saying you believe that humans are uncreated and never had a beginning?

I believe humans had a beginning when we were conceived -- that our soul came into being at the moment of conception. I believe that animals had a beginning when they were born and received an animal spirit, which is different from a soul. It has never been revealed in scripture if animal spirits continue to exist after their bodies die. I think they do but I consider that negligent on the part of scripture writers to omit something that important.

I believe that by contrast to ordinary humans, the souls of the Universal Manifestations of God (e.g. Jesus, Baha'u'llah) had no beginning -- they have always existed in the spiritual world and their souls were sent to this world where they were united with their bodies. Then, when they died physically, their souls returned to the spiritual world where they will live forever.

" then the Lord God formed the man (human) from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils
and the man became a living creature (soul) " ( Genesis 2:7 )

To me that says that we got a soul when we became a living creature, which was at the moment of conception, before we started breathing.

"human" = "humus man" = dirt man ( a clay model )……..a "copy".

A copy of what?

You might like this explanation of what happens when our physical body dies.

421. When the body is no longer able to perform the bodily functions in the natural world that correspond to the spirit’s thoughts and affections, which the spirit has from the spiritual world, man is said to die. This takes place when the respiration of the lungs and the beatings of the heart cease. But the man does not die; he is merely separated from the bodily part that was of use to him in the world, while the man himself continues to live. It is said that the man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought with affection is what constitutes man. Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life. Heaven and Hell, p. 351

I suggest you start a new thread if we are going to continue discussing the soul and spirit, since we have veered way off the original purpose of the OP.