Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I already met it. You keep forgetting that you are not the judge in such challenges. You need to have a judge that is not scientifically illiterate.
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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.
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Alien826
No religious beliefs
It's his challenge, to produce (or refer to) something that is more than 6000 years old. Of course he can't (or won't) do that, as that is his whole point, that nobody can do it.
Incidentally, I see this thread is now into its 113th page. Talk about squeezing an ocean from a damp sponge!
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
You have not met it at all.
But try if you like.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are not a valid judge. You do not even know the basics of science and are afraid to learn. When you run away you disqualify yourself.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You don't know what your own challenge is? That would explain why you haven't seen an answer.
Now there is a circular fallacy if ever there was one .. the claim that the Bible is 100% true has been proven false .. six hundred and sixty six ways to Sunday
.. The same passage from 2 different bibles say completely different things -- the book has been so altered. One true thing here is that the claim the Bible is never wrong is demonstrably false.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
What do you mean by 2 different Bibles?Now there is a circular fallacy if ever there was one .. the claim that the Bible is 100% true has been proven false .. six hundred and sixty six ways to Sunday
One true thing here is that the claim the Bible is never wrong is demonstrably false.
The King James Bible is the Bible.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
So you keep asserting without the first hint of the slightest suggestion of justification.....
The KJV is one of the worst Bibles in terms of error -- but, are you not aware that there are different versions of the Bible ? .. not just 2 different versions but hundreds.
So what is meant - is that if you take a passage from the beloved KJV Bible .. Deuteronomy 32:43 for example -- and the same passage from the LXX Bible - the passage is completely changed .. unrecognizable from each other .. due to "pious fraud".
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Don't forget the versions that are not KJV...
there are hundreds of different Bibles -- some with only minor differences from each other. Some however have "MAJOR" differences .. the text completely changed .. edits, ommission, insertion, interpolation .. in some whole books are added or removed .. Such as the Epistle of Barnabus and Shepherd of Hermes.. both present in the Codex Sinaiticus.
Have a look at Deut 32:43 in an old version of the Bible -
The first version of the passage is from the Septuagint (LXX). This is what was used by the early Christians. The LXX (roman numerals for 70) refers to the 70 Jewish scholars who translated the 5 books of Moses into Greek as early as the 3rd century BC.
"O heavens, rejoice with Him
Bow to Him, all sons of the divine
O nations, rejoice with His people
and let all angels of the divine strengthen themselves in Him.
For He’ll avenge the blood of His sons,
be vengeful, and wreak vengeance and recompense justice on his foes
And the Lord will Cleanse His people’s land"
The next is exactly the same passage in the Masoretic Text (MT) - the test most widely used as the basis for translation in Protestant Bibles created 700-900AD over 1000 years after the LXX
"O nations, rejoice His people
For He’ll avenge the blood of His servants and wreak vengeance on His foes
And will cleanse His people’s land"
and now note what is missing from the MT -- where did these "Sons of the Divine" -- who are up in heaven .. rejoicing and bowing to the "Most High" God ?
Then we have the people rejoicing .. on earth .. present in both texts but then in the LXX we have angels of the divine .. on a level lower than humans.
and now why would translators in the 900 AD .. intentionally remove these other divinities from the Text ? --- Perhaps to avoid being burned at the Stake ? or just artistic license .. monotheists being uncomfortable with mention of divinities other than the most high .. especially when stratified in the order presented ... the sons of the divine but up in heaven hanging out with the Most High .. is next to impossible to explain away .. like these are human leaders as is done with other passages .. so they just took it out.
Gonna tell me God Inspired this ? .. then obviously the previous text was "uninspired"
Now what is further of interest .. is the part that the MT does manage to retain "Cleansing of his peoples Land" -- a clear reference to "Ethnic Cleansing" in context .. is changed in Modern Translations ... here is the NIV
Rejoice, you nations, with his people,[e][f]
for he will avenge the blood of his servants;
he will take vengeance on his enemies
and make atonement for his land and people.
Atonement for some land is not Ethnic Cleansing of the land .. and not it is no longer the Peoples land .. but "His Land" .. the ownership of the land has transferred from the people to God.
There is literally nothing left other than God Taking vengeance on his enemies and those of his servants. .. but this will not involve "The Cleansing"
and no other divinities .. Got that ?! No No No other divinities ya hear ! only one Divinity .. God .. and well Jesus and the HS .. and while combined in todays perspective .. are separate entities in the LXX .. where a Son of God .. is a Son of God.. not God himself.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I was pointing out that there are hundreds of versions of the KJV.there are hundreds of different Bibles -- some with only minor differences from each other. Some however have "MAJOR" differences .. the text completely changed .. edits, ommission, insertion, interpolation .. in some whole books are added or removed .. Such as the Epistle of Barnabus and Shepherd of Hermes.. both present in the Codex Sinaiticus.
Have a look at Deut 32:43 in an old version of the Bible -
The first version of the passage is from the Septuagint (LXX). This is what was used by the early Christians. The LXX (roman numerals for 70) refers to the 70 Jewish scholars who translated the 5 books of Moses into Greek as early as the 3rd century BC.
"O heavens, rejoice with Him
Bow to Him, all sons of the divine
O nations, rejoice with His people
and let all angels of the divine strengthen themselves in Him.
For He’ll avenge the blood of His sons,
be vengeful, and wreak vengeance and recompense justice on his foes
And the Lord will Cleanse His people’s land"
The next is exactly the same passage in the Masoretic Text (MT) - the test most widely used as the basis for translation in Protestant Bibles created 700-900AD over 1000 years after the LXX
"O nations, rejoice His people
For He’ll avenge the blood of His servants and wreak vengeance on His foes
And will cleanse His people’s land"
and now note what is missing from the MT -- where did these "Sons of the Divine" -- who are up in heaven .. rejoicing and bowing to the "Most High" God ?
Then we have the people rejoicing .. on earth .. present in both texts but then in the LXX we have angels of the divine .. on a level lower than humans.
and now why would translators in the 900 AD .. intentionally remove these other divinities from the Text ? --- Perhaps to avoid being burned at the Stake ? or just artistic license .. monotheists being uncomfortable with mention of divinities other than the most high .. especially when stratified in the order presented ... the sons of the divine but up in heaven hanging out with the Most High .. is next to impossible to explain away .. like these are human leaders as is done with other passages .. so they just took it out.
Gonna tell me God Inspired this ? .. then obviously the previous text was "uninspired"
Now what is further of interest .. is the part that the MT does manage to retain "Cleansing of his peoples Land" -- a clear reference to "Ethnic Cleansing" in context .. is changed in Modern Translations ... here is the NIV
Rejoice, you nations, with his people,[e][f]
for he will avenge the blood of his servants;
he will take vengeance on his enemies
and make atonement for his land and people.
Atonement for some land is not Ethnic Cleansing of the land .. and not it is no longer the Peoples land .. but "His Land" .. the ownership of the land has transferred from the people to God.
There is literally nothing left other than God Taking vengeance on his enemies and those of his servants. .. but this will not involve "The Cleansing"
Now with someone claiming that the KJV is supposed to be the inerrant word of god, the fact that there are so many versions of the KJ makes the claim suspect.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
The 1769 Oxford KJB Blayley Edition.
A person who makes a forgery of the Mona Lisa does not invalidate the original.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
So you are saying it took god 158 years to get his own specific version right?
Right .. but unfortunately the KJV is the forgery in this equation.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
And you know this is the 'true' bible, how, exactly?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Simple. it has no errors, was purified 7x, and it is the most quoted, read, and published book ever.
Yes .. but the changes from one KJV Bible to the next are generally insignificant -- not something very good to shoot down the 100% inspired 100% Truth claims very well.. The differences I cited blows such claims out of the water .. Pious Fraud on a number of counts ..
Check out the KJV version of deut 32:43 .. what happened to the Cleansing of the peoples land ?
Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the bloodof his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and]to his people.
Now rather than Ethnic Cleansing of his chosen peoples land .. it is now God's land .. and God is being mercifull to the land .. and its people ?
No inspiration going on here .. and a whole lot of falsehood.