McBell
Unbound
I do not respect bullies.
Regardless of how bad you are at it.
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Charlie Hebdo to attack Muslims again
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Regardless of how bad you are at it.
ppp
Well-Known Member
This is a case of explaining that one is not owed deference merely because one feels that such is owed. And more importantly, that one will not gain said deference by throwing a tantrum. Not even a murderous tantrum. Sounds like the good of society to me. And if that hurts feelings, then so be it.
Maybe. Maybe not. They could be another Eric Rudolph. People with an ideology, anger, some know how, but no overall strategy.
Brian2
Veteran Member
From what I can gather it can be hard not to offend some Muslims and hard not to blaspheme in some Muslim countries. Even in those countries countless injustices are done because of those blasphemy laws. But of course you no doubt know these things and are against those injustices also and see the bombing of Charlie Hedbo as wrong.
It is the rightness or wrongness of Charlie Hedbo's action to republish which is your concern.
Unfortunately feelings against the Muslim bombing run hot and people respond with that feeling in mind.
There is also more involved than offending or not offending Muslims, especially in a multicultural and free world where expressing oneself is an important freedom.
The Chinese Communist Party is another entity which seems to get offended easily and as with parts of Islam, uses this either real or feigned offence to get it's way in the world.
Well show where you think it's relevant.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Every time you express your view that something should or should not be done.
Unless you are purposely expressing views that are immoral.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Wow, I have to stop speaking, you enlighten me on that, because my view is different then others.....
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
To answer your question,.
What is weak about following the teachings of Jesus Christ..
You know it has come down thru the ages that Muhammad was born and raised in the desert..
Which is now is called the Arabian desert.
And Jesus Christ speaking, saying in
Matthew 24:24--"There shall arise false Christ's and false prophets"
In verse 26--"Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert"
Jesus Christ himself proved Muhammad being a false prophet in the desert.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
It is nothing weak or bad about following the teaching of Jesus. It is good for those who chose that teaching
ppp
Well-Known Member
You are pitching a fit about being contradicted on a debate board. :-D
McBell
Unbound
So it is ok for Muslims to disrespect Jesus and Christianity, but not for Charlie to publish a picture?
Brian2
Veteran Member
Standing up to the perceived bully who feigns offence or turning the other cheek when the perceived bully lashes out. Interesting dilemma and not completely black and white in the minds of some people, especially when the offence may have been real and real offence may be given to others by fighting back.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Muslims should not disrespect others, unfortunately some do, but it is not right view
McBell
Unbound
Going on the bar you set in this thread, all Islam is disrespecting Jesus and Christianity.
Is that OK?
If so, then why is it bad for Charlie to publish a picture?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Did you not read the words in my other answer Muslims should not offend others unfortunately it does happen
ppp
Well-Known Member
Nah. Just like Christianity, Islam has a long unbroken history of bullying both its members and onlookers through threats, force, shunning and death. Christianity has been partially gelded, but it still slips its bit with distressing regularity. Islam needs its own Enlightenment analog. Or, I should say that it needs a second one. Islam was progressing relatively well until its fundamentalists killed its golden age.
Is "disrespect for Islam" necessarily islamophobic?
Your posts don't give this impression.
You're condemning those who stand up to this wrongdoing, and you're complaining louder about a cartoon than you are about the murder of 12 people.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Hear, hear!
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I can say it again.
I do not support murder, I do not support Muslims who killing or hatm others, I do not support none Muslims who harm or do evil deeds, I do not support Charlie Hebdo, I do not support drawings that is created to make fun of or harm any spiritual person or God.
I do not support freedom of speech if that speech is made to harm others.
I DO support freedom to believe in any religion or spiritual teaching. I DO support the choice each person have to believe what they want.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
You are determined to miss the point.
No one here is suggesting that a Muslim can’t live by Muslim rules.
This is SO simple ... try to hear this clearly -
We are saying that we do not and will not accept that we, non-Muslims, are bound by Islamic rules.
That is so simple, I can’t believe that you keep misunderstanding it.
Yes, the drawing was a deliberate provocation. For a good reason. And that reason was to make that very simple point - non-Muslims are in no way bound by Islamic law.
The hysterical and violent response from the psychologically primitive hardline Muslims was all the proof needed that Muslims needed to learn that lesson.
Heyo
Veteran Member
So, assuming you don't only care about the sensibilities of Muslim, what you really want is the (re-)instatement of blasphemy laws? You should have made (or probably should make) the OP about that question. You'd get backlash either way, as getting rid of such laws has widely been seen as positive move for freedom of speech, but it won't have (had) the same emotional response as it is not directly connected to the murder of 12 people.