*Paul*
Jesus loves you
As neither Calvinist or Arminian I recommend What Love is This? by Dave Hunt on the subject matter if nothing else it is an excellent study on the nature of God as revealed in the bible.
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Christian: Arminianism vs. Calvinism
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Christian Pilgrim
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Hi brother,
Are you saying Dave Hunt does not consider himself to be an Arminian apologist?
Christian Pilgrim
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I never really understood Universalisim. Does Universalism tend to undermine the holiness, justice, and glory of God?
*Paul*
Jesus loves you
Absolutely, I have heard him say time and again that he is not an arminian. For one thing he teaches once saved always saved.
Christian Pilgrim
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LOL, Calvinists do not teach or believe in the "once saved always saved" position. That is actually a distinctive for some Arminians. It should be noted that Dave Hunt is considered an Arminian apologist who debates Reformed apologist like James White publically. I am very familar with Dave Hunt through my years with Calvary Chapel. There are only a few Arminian apologist. Norman Geisler and Dave Hunt are a few who try to defend contemporary Arminanism against biblical Christianity (nickname of Calvinism according to Charles Spurgeon). I do consider Geisler and Hunt me dear brothers in the Lord, since perfect doctrine does not exists, nor does perfect doctrine save us from the wrath of God. Jesus Christ saves us in-spite of our incomplete knowledge.
BTW... does Dave Hunt believe in decisional regeneration? Does he believe that once a sinner accepts Jesus into his heart, then that person is eternally saved? I reject the practice of decisional regeneration as being a guarantee conversion practice; therefore it is wrong to give a professor of Christ through a sinner's prayer or altar call the assurance that they are truly saved. Here is good book about being Born Again through a Calvinst perspective which is quite different than Dave Hunt or Calvary Chapel's perspective.
Finally Alive :: Desiring God Christian Resource Library
Finally Alive :: Desiring God Christian Bookstore
Here is a link of debates between Dave Hunt (Arminian Christian) against James White (Calvinist Christian):
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*Paul*
Jesus loves you
I would say that if a person publicly responds to an altar call and publicly confesses Jesus Christ as Lord has the right to be called a Christian but only time can tell if that is so. I was the subject of a false altar call conversion myself but I could talk religion as good as anyone, no one knew that I was yet unregenrate.
I have just read in a Dave Hunt (Peace, Prosperity and the Coming Holocaust) book that many "Christians" from all denominations including some "born again" christians will be left behind at the rapture (thus showing that they were not truly born again) so I do not think he believes in decisional regneration as such.
I have just read in a Dave Hunt (Peace, Prosperity and the Coming Holocaust) book that many "Christians" from all denominations including some "born again" christians will be left behind at the rapture (thus showing that they were not truly born again) so I do not think he believes in decisional regneration as such.
Christian Pilgrim
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How do non-Calvinist's Christians explain away altar calls and sinner's prayers that do not result in actual conversions? In my many days at Calvary Chapel, there are many appeals to those who once professed Christ to do another ALTAR CALL again. Why wasn't the first one good enough to convert the sinner to God? If we teach multiple altar calls, are we re-crucifying Jesus Christ over and over again? How sufficent is the person and work of Jesus Christ on behalf of those God chose to believe and suffer as Christians? I too did an altar call at 18 years old at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (the Calvary Chapel Vatican). I do not think I was born again until my early 30s. The wind blows and we do not know where it comes from... so too with the Spirit of God (John 3).
The chain of salvation: - The Apostle Paul
26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, becausethe Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
God's Everlasting Love
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be[8] against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.[9] 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written,
“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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*Paul*
Jesus loves you
I would say that this happens because some people are moved (or manipulated)emotionally to respond to an altar call so they come and say a prayer asking for Jesus to be their saviour not based on the truth of the gospel but because of the preachers fine words or pressure from others.
True salvation comes in response to the gospel being preached and understood and truly believed which brings repentance.
Maybe this teaching is peculiar to calvary chapel, I have never seen it in England. I have seen people asked to re-commit their lives to Christ
For the record I do not believe in making altar calls. I wouldn't go that far to say that it is re-crucifying Christ and I know that they do not believe that a person can be saved twice it is once saved always saved in their doctrine.
Christ's work on the cross is fully sufficient, the payment was made in full but can only be received through faith.
I was ten years old but was not born again until I was 21. I said the sinners prayer numerous times in between those years and was in bondage to it, somewhere in my heart I knew I was not right with God and often felt his heavy hand upon me.
With regard to Romans 9 I believe foreknow (proginōskō
means to know before hand, not to choose before hand.
Christian Pilgrim
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I would say that this happens because some people are moved (or manipulated)emotionally to respond to an altar call so they come and say a prayer asking for Jesus to be their saviour not based on the truth of the gospel but because of the preachers fine words or pressure from others.
True salvation comes in response to the gospel being preached and understood and truly believed which brings repentance.
Maybe this teaching is peculiar to calvary chapel, I have never seen it in England. I have seen people asked to re-commit their lives to Christ
For the record I do not believe in making altar calls. I wouldn't go that far to say that it is re-crucifying Christ and I know that they do not believe that a person can be saved twice it is once saved always saved in their doctrine.
Christ's work on the cross is fully sufficient, the payment was made in full but can only be received through faith.
I was ten years old but was not born again until I was 21. I said the sinners prayer numerous times in between those years and was in bondage to it, somewhere in my heart I knew I was not right with God and often felt his heavy hand upon me.
With regard to Romans 9 I believe foreknow (proginōskō
Okay, so when does God determine when someone will be born again through an altar call or sinner's prayer, and when God will hold back salvation? Do you think God grants repentance to some and not to others... according to the Scriptures? :slap:
Can someone see the kingdom of God prior to being born again? Do you think people refuse to come to Christ because they do not see Christ as being deisrable, or who He really is? :slap: Maybe those who are able to see Christ as being desirable were given spiritual eyes to see, maybe?
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LittleNipper
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I will say that man looks on the outward appearances, but GOD looks at the heart.
Christian Pilgrim
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And what does God see in the unregenerate heart without exception?
Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. - Paul
The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it? - Jer 17:9
No One Is Righteous
What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
“Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
“Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
in their paths are ruin and misery,
and the way of peace they have not known.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. - Rom 3
The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5
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Christian Pilgrim
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Calvinism or Arminianism; Monergism or Synergism... choose your terminology.
What Is Monergism?
Monergism: In regeneration, the Holy Spirit unites us to Christ independent of any cooperation from our unregenerated human nature. He quickens us through the outward call cast forth by the preaching of His Word, disarms our innate hostility, removes our blindness, illumines our mind, creates understanding, turns our heart of stone to a heart of flesh -- giving rise to a delight in His Word -- all that we might, with our renewed affections, willingly & gladly embrace Christ. The Prophet Ezekiel inspired by the Holy Spirit asserted "I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God." (Eze 11:19, also 36:26) The Apostle Paul said, "For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction." (1 Thess 1, 4, 5). I.e. In regeneration the word does not work alone but must be accompanied by the "germination" of the Holy Spirit. And again "...you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God." (1 Pet 1:23)
The Century Dictionary defines it as follows:
"In theology, the doctrine that the Holy Spirit is the only efficient agent in regeneration - that the human will possesses no inclination to holiness until regenerated, and therefore cannot cooperate in regeneration."
It means that the very desire for faith, by which we believe in Him who justifies the ungodly comes to us through regeneration -- and if anyone says that this belongs to us by nature and not by a gift of grace, that is, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit amending our will and turning it from unbelief to faith and from godlessness to godliness, he/she ignores the teaching of the Apostles, for Paul says, "...Even when we were dead in sins, [God] hath quickened us together with Christ, by grace ye are saved." and "...he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit." (Titus 3:5) And again, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8). or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10).
It is in contrast to synergism which the Century Dictionary defines as
"...the doctrine that there are two efficient agents in regeneration, namely the human will and the divine Spirit, which, in the strict sense of the term, cooperate. This theory accordingly holds that the soul has not lost in the fall all inclination toward holiness, nor all power to seek for it under the influence of ordinary motives."
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What Is Monergism?
Monergism: In regeneration, the Holy Spirit unites us to Christ independent of any cooperation from our unregenerated human nature. He quickens us through the outward call cast forth by the preaching of His Word, disarms our innate hostility, removes our blindness, illumines our mind, creates understanding, turns our heart of stone to a heart of flesh -- giving rise to a delight in His Word -- all that we might, with our renewed affections, willingly & gladly embrace Christ. The Prophet Ezekiel inspired by the Holy Spirit asserted "I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God." (Eze 11:19, also 36:26) The Apostle Paul said, "For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction." (1 Thess 1, 4, 5). I.e. In regeneration the word does not work alone but must be accompanied by the "germination" of the Holy Spirit. And again "...you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God." (1 Pet 1:23)
The Century Dictionary defines it as follows:
"In theology, the doctrine that the Holy Spirit is the only efficient agent in regeneration - that the human will possesses no inclination to holiness until regenerated, and therefore cannot cooperate in regeneration."
It means that the very desire for faith, by which we believe in Him who justifies the ungodly comes to us through regeneration -- and if anyone says that this belongs to us by nature and not by a gift of grace, that is, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit amending our will and turning it from unbelief to faith and from godlessness to godliness, he/she ignores the teaching of the Apostles, for Paul says, "...Even when we were dead in sins, [God] hath quickened us together with Christ, by grace ye are saved." and "...he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit." (Titus 3:5) And again, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8). or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10).
It is in contrast to synergism which the Century Dictionary defines as
"...the doctrine that there are two efficient agents in regeneration, namely the human will and the divine Spirit, which, in the strict sense of the term, cooperate. This theory accordingly holds that the soul has not lost in the fall all inclination toward holiness, nor all power to seek for it under the influence of ordinary motives."
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*Paul*
Jesus loves you
When they believe the gospel
when the gospel is not believed (Christ's redeeming work is beleived ((relied upon and trusted)) for salvation,(to be believed it needs to be understood.)
No comment. ....... just kidding. God has granted to the gentiles repentance unto life (acts 11:18), before this he only spoke to the Jews as a general rule, he committed His oracles to them. But after the new covenant began God's message was for Jew and Gentile. I would say that Paul in 2 Timothy is reffering to proffesing Christians who oppsoe truth and appear to be under God's righteous judgement. That epistle seems full of warnings and advice about such types.
No but they can know how to get there.
Because they love their sin and harden their hearts against anything that threatens their relationship with it.
May be the Spirit convinces them of their condition so that they come willingly.
Christian Pilgrim
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Hi Paul,
Why are some sinners able to believe in the gospel in an effectual way leading to eternal life? And why do some sinners believe in the gospel like the demons? Ah... which Gentiles believed in regards to the theme of God granting certain Gentiles repentance? Why can't God the Holy Spirit convince some sinners and not others, who can resist His will?
Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Does this seem like wooing of the Spirit to you? Did God woo the Apostle Paul and the other disciples too?
The Conversion of Lydia
So, setting sail from Troas, we made a direct voyage to Samothrace, and the following day to Neapolis, and from there to Philippi, which is a leading city of the district of Macedonia and a Roman colony. We remained in this city some days. And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together. One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.
Paul Called by God
For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. - John 6
Just like the disciples, the Apostle Paul, Lydia, and others, you too were chosen to believe and suffer for Christ. All things must run through the divine will of God. We worship the Only Sovereign Lord, and through divine providence... all things will come to pass as it is written.
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, - Phil
The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. - John 1
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*Paul*
Jesus loves you
I have been reading the bondage of the will by Martin Luther, here are a couple of quote I take issue with which also typify calvinist doctrine.
"This is the highest degree of faith - to believe that He is merciful, who saves so few and damns so many; to believe Him just, who according to His own will, makes us necessarily damnable, that He may seem, as Erasmus [Luthers opponent in this matter] says 'to delight in the torments of the miserable and to be an object of hatred rather than love'.
If, therefore, I could by any means comprehend how that same God can be merciful and just, who carries the appearance of so much wrath and iniquity there would be no need of faith"
So according to Luther (and Calvin) it is a matter of faith to accept that God deliberatly damns those who had never any chance of being saved (due to God's own predestinating purpose) and this is (as Calvin asserts) to God's good pleasure.
This flies in the face of all morality and Love, what does God say?
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Which is true? Gods says He does not enjoy to see the wicked die and what's more He exhorts them to turn from there wicked ways. But how can they turn if they were predestinated to be wicked.... after all who hath resisted His will?
Jeremiah 26:3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
In this verse God put's the ball firmly in mans court. God says to Judah turn from your wicked ways oh man and I will not punish you. God does not want to punish them and exhorts them to repent... but how can one repent when it was decided before you were born what you will do and what kind of man you will be?
2nd Peter 3:8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Here it says that God is witholding "the day of the Lord" (a day of wrath against sinful man). Why? because He wants all to repent (not only that but he is WILLING that all should come to repentance), He does not want any one to perish, He suffers mans rebellion and outright hatred...whilst the Church preaches the gospel to the world calling them into the Ark of safety that they may be saved.
"This is the highest degree of faith - to believe that He is merciful, who saves so few and damns so many; to believe Him just, who according to His own will, makes us necessarily damnable, that He may seem, as Erasmus [Luthers opponent in this matter] says 'to delight in the torments of the miserable and to be an object of hatred rather than love'.
If, therefore, I could by any means comprehend how that same God can be merciful and just, who carries the appearance of so much wrath and iniquity there would be no need of faith"
So according to Luther (and Calvin) it is a matter of faith to accept that God deliberatly damns those who had never any chance of being saved (due to God's own predestinating purpose) and this is (as Calvin asserts) to God's good pleasure.
This flies in the face of all morality and Love, what does God say?
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Which is true? Gods says He does not enjoy to see the wicked die and what's more He exhorts them to turn from there wicked ways. But how can they turn if they were predestinated to be wicked.... after all who hath resisted His will?
Jeremiah 26:3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
In this verse God put's the ball firmly in mans court. God says to Judah turn from your wicked ways oh man and I will not punish you. God does not want to punish them and exhorts them to repent... but how can one repent when it was decided before you were born what you will do and what kind of man you will be?
2nd Peter 3:8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Here it says that God is witholding "the day of the Lord" (a day of wrath against sinful man). Why? because He wants all to repent (not only that but he is WILLING that all should come to repentance), He does not want any one to perish, He suffers mans rebellion and outright hatred...whilst the Church preaches the gospel to the world calling them into the Ark of safety that they may be saved.
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Christian Pilgrim
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HI Paul,
You make some excellent points. I'm a terrible Calvinist because I never read the must read book of "Bondage of the Will" by Luther. I have read quite a bit of John Calvin, John Owen, and Jonathan Edwards, Augustine, etc. In what I have studied from Luther, he still had a very strong attachment to Roman theology as compared to the other Reformers, especially in regards to the sacraments. I want to re-read what you posted in greater detail. Just in general, an Arminian Christian perspective seems to just lead you back to Roman Catholic theology and distinctives. We also know that official Roman Catholic Theology is now very pluralistic, allowing salvation apart from faith in Christ with major religions such as Islam and Judaism. Roman Catholic theology embraces all forms of spirituality with the exception of Calvinism. To embrace Calvinism is to earn a larger number of anathemas from the Council of Trent. To remain an Arminian Christian, is to be closer to Roman Catholicism.
Christian Pilgrim
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Hi Paul,
It's time for an in-house debate between two Christians saved by grace alone through the instrument of faith alone which was merited by the person and work of Christ alone. With the Spirit of iron sharpening iron (I just saw Wolverine), did you choose God in Christ prior to being born from above or after? If you chose Christ in your spirituality dead condition, are you the ultimate cause of your new birth? Does this make you sovereign over God in salvation? Did Christ come to save the entire world, and if so, how is He doing? I love you brother in Christ! You were chosen before the foundation of the world to not only believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but to also suffer for His sake. Preach Christ and Him crucified in season and out of season (but don't preach on this site!).
Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
It's time for an in-house debate between two Christians saved by grace alone through the instrument of faith alone which was merited by the person and work of Christ alone. With the Spirit of iron sharpening iron (I just saw Wolverine), did you choose God in Christ prior to being born from above or after? If you chose Christ in your spirituality dead condition, are you the ultimate cause of your new birth? Does this make you sovereign over God in salvation? Did Christ come to save the entire world, and if so, how is He doing? I love you brother in Christ! You were chosen before the foundation of the world to not only believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but to also suffer for His sake.
Preach Christ and Him crucified in season and out of season (but don't preach on this site!).Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
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Neither. I do not follow any teachings thought up of by a man. I am Christian. No need to label any further or follow anyone else teachings other than Christ. Christ taught free will. To deny that is to deny Christ. Which means you are no longer Christian if you deny the teachings of Christ.
*Paul*
Jesus loves you
Hi Paul,
It's time for an in-house debate between two Christians saved by grace alone through the instrument of faith alone which was merited by the person and work of Christ alone. With the Spirit of iron sharpening iron (I just saw Wolverine), did you choose God in Christ prior to being born from above or after? If you chose Christ in your spirituality dead condition, are you the ultimate cause of your new birth? Does this make you sovereign over God in salvation? Did Christ come to save the entire world, and if so, how is He doing? I love you brother in Christ! You were chosen before the foundation of the world to not only believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but to also suffer for His sake.
Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
Drat! What a pity you got banned, I never saw this post until today, I would have been more than happy to discuss this with you dear brother.
1) We don't choose God.
2) I believe the new birth follows saving faith as a consequence, I do not believe faith is a consequence of the new birth.
3)Christ came to pay the price for sin and to save sinners, I believe He is doing perfectly.
Dear Brother, i hope you read this post of mine, you really must read the bondage of the will, it is an amazing book that God has used greatly in my heart. I appreciate Martin Luther much more now than before and found his arguements and answers to be mouth stoppers. :foot:
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Arminianism. Philosophically in order to believe the Diety is good, I must believe that the Diety granted us free will.