Christian Magic?

[blackout]

EveryThing in life can speak of, or symbolize other things...

as either sign& syncronicity (as in "seer"/visionary/reader)
or as in symbolism for transformation (as in active initiation/source'ry)

including, but not especially, poop/pooping.

 

[Azakel]

What are you talking about? That's not magic. Magic is a very vague term used to describe what people do in vegas entertainment, harry potter movies, and world of warcraft.

Really? And what makes you the big know it all when it comes to Magic? It doesn't need a K, it all means the same. Yet you are telling us, practitioner of Magic(k).

Baptism, rosaries, prayer, and the eucharist are not magic...

And why not? You don't get to go around a make the rules for Magic(k) is.

If they are, then what isn't magic?

Magic(k) is something that comes in many forms. It is something that can't be chained down to what something human want it to not be or be.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

What are you talking about? That's not magic. Magic is a very vague term used to describe what people do in vegas entertainment, harry potter movies, and world of warcraft. Baptism, rosaries, prayer, and the eucharist are not magic... If they are, then what isn't magic?

This is the same problem you run into when talking about the existence of "god". When people define "god" as everything from an old man in the sky to pure love... then obviously there's no use in arguing about it because you don't know what the hell it is.

I'm sorry to tell you but Baptism, prayer, and Eucharist are magic. Many people in this forum have already defined for you what magic is, but I'll give you the ancient Egyptian view on it. The Kemetic word for magic is heka. Heka means- to speak with authority. So yes, magic is in fact the way of the universe

 

[Rainbow Mage]

So in the Kemetic view, since heka means to speak with authority, when the Priest speaks with authority: "Sanctify these gifts by your Holy Spirit, it will become for us the body and blood of your son, Jesus Christ." That is heka/magic. Or when the Priest dips the pashcal candle in the baptismal font and says: "The power of the Holy Spirit sanctify this water" three times, that is speaking with authority.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

The problem is people think words have no power, and they do. In the ancient Egyptian view words could be some of the most powerful magic of all.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Whether your talking about a card trick, cutting somebody in half, talking to ghosts, or turning blood into wine, all magic comes down to the skillful application of deception on one level or another.

 

[Mr Cheese]

I'm sorry to tell you but Baptism, prayer, and Eucharist are magic. Many people in this forum have already defined for you what magic is, but I'll give you the ancient Egyptian view on it. The Kemetic word for magic is heka. Heka means- to speak with authority. So yes, magic is in fact the way of the universe[/quote]

et tu brute!

so we have it from the horse's mouth....

taking a poop is magick.....

 

[Mr Cheese]

The problem is people think words have no power, and they do. In the ancient Egyptian view words could be some of the most powerful magic of all.

so....

what is the difference between magic and mysticism then sir?

hint: it doesn't involve macaroni cheese

 

[blackout]

All of our thoughts, actions and words have power.

The way in which we choose to do things has power.

Most people live haphazard lives.

 

[Mr Cheese]

EveryThing in life can speak of, or symbolize other things...

as either sign& syncronicity (as in "seer"/visionary/reader)
or as in symbolism for transformation (as in active initiation/source'ry)

including, but not especially, poop/pooping.

great...

so we could use chickens to represent satan and custard to represent jesus....



Poop signifies excretum....I'd love to know how you would use poop to signify transformation in any other fashion

 

[Mr Cheese]

All of our thoughts, actions and words have power.

The way in which we choose to do things has power.

Most people live haphazard lives.

so when I am thinking about a can of sprite...it is an act of power?:sarcastic

 

[Guitar's Cry]

so when I am thinking about a can of sprite...it is an act of power?:sarcastic

Of course it is! It creates significant change in the universe. How is it not an act of power?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

so when I am thinking about a can of sprite...it is an act of power?:sarcastic

Uncaffeinated beverages have no power.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Poop signifies excretum....I'd love to know how you would use poop to signify transformation in any other fashion

Are you kidding? Poop has a special kind of significance.

It's Spring, and I've got to do some planting. Guess what will be helping the vegetables I'll be harvesting in the fall grow?

Ah! The cycle of nature.

 

[blackout]

so when I am thinking about a can of sprite...it is an act of power?:sarcastic

It can be.

Depending on what it means to you,
and what you do with that.

 

[blackout]

great...

so we could use chickens to represent satan and custard to represent jesus....



Poop signifies excretum....I'd love to know how you would use poop to signify transformation in any other fashion

Oh well you know.... possessed pigs.... possessed goats....possessed chickens....

and jesus.... well his face turns up just about everywhere.
*refrains from making the next comment that quite naturally entered her mind*

 

[Reverend Rick]

Wow, I have waited years to have this discussion. As a former ceremonial magickan who studied the kabbalah, (just like Alister Crowley) I can assure you that many magickans have found power from this ancient form of jewish mysticism.

I believe this mysticism was the one and the same knowledge that Jesus studied as a young man and these miracles where in fact magick by today's standards.

Jesus may well have been one of the greatest magickan of all time.

So the biggest question is, which came first and who stole what from whom?

Gotta tell you, a staff that turns into a serpent or parting the seas sounds interesting in the light of the conversation. Water into wine, the fish and the loaves.........

Many folks are missing the connection because believers of magick don't want any Jewish roots and Christians sure as hell don't like miracles compared to magick.

The comparisons are obvious if you have an open mind.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Really? And what makes you the big know it all when it comes to Magic? It doesn't need a K, it all means the same. Yet you are telling us, practitioner of Magic(k).

:areyoucra

And why not? You don't get to go around a make the rules for Magic(k) is.

Well seeing as how it's apparently everything... yes I do.

Magic(k) is something that comes in many forms. It is something that can't be chained down to what something human want it to not be or be.

Maybe... But definitions can be chained down. Which is the problem with what you're doing here. Using your powerful magic to turn the word into whatever the hell you want it to be.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Wow, I have waited years to have this discussion. As a former ceremonial magickan who studied the kabbalah, (just like Alister Crowley) I can assure you that many magickans have found power from this ancient form of jewish mysticism.

I believe this mysticism was the one and the same knowledge that Jesus studied as a young man and these miracles where in fact magick by today's standards.

Jesus may well have been one of the greatest magickan of all time.

So the biggest question is, which came first and who stole what from whom?

Gotta tell you, a staff that turns into a serpent or parting the seas sounds interesting in the light of the conversation. Water into wine, the fish and the loaves.........

Many folks are missing the connection because believers of magick don't want any Jewish roots and Christians sure as hell don't like miracles compared to magick.

The comparisons are obvious if you have an open mind.

Thanks for the viewpoint! I was hoping you'd chime in due to your experience. :clap

For me, I think the connection comes from the basic experience of being human: that is most essential connection of mysticism that I can think of. It seems unimportant which came first, or which definition is most accurate. When it comes down to essentials, we are humans acting in a living universe. Seems magical and miraculous to me.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Can anyone see the obvious similarities between sending energy and praying?