"Christian Nationalism is Not Christianity"

[Subduction Zone]

If you want to believe that... it's your game and your life.

You cannot own up to a wrong when it is patently obvious that you screwed up your argument? I know, this is not lying This is the severe cognitive dissonance that occurs when one's cherished beliefs are shown to be wrong. If a Christian studies the Bible without prejudice he will find the problems in it to be endless. That is why people like Matt Dillahunty, who his church thought would become a great Christian orator became a staunch advocate for atheism once he tried to do that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No one is, because these are insignificant blips in U. S. history.

Then am I no one? Are those taught Church history no ones?
You'd be loosing pretty bad on a Christian schooling version of Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?

That's not really true, though.

You just stated you don't know Church history and you're going to try to correct me?

 

[Wildswanderer]

You're going to have to break that down for me.

Sinner means 'one who sins'
You are a sinner.
Therefore you are one who sins.

Correct?

Sure. But I'm not one that would force someone to convert... Of course that's impossible to actually do, but you can get them to say the words.

 

[dybmh]

I think it is. Just what do you think "fulfilled" means? And, if it is about the topic, what in the world does that topic mesh with your statement?

Isn't it a bit of a bait and switch to tell an audience, "I didn't come to change the law until all is fulfilled" if he knew it would all be fulfilled very soon and by him?

 

[Kenny]

In other words, once you profess your acceptance of Christ, character and conduct cease to matter?

If a=b then c=d?

Where did you get that from what I said? And the context for which it was said? Or did you expect that when one said "Jesus is my Lord".... POOF... He acts perfectly?

 

[Kenny]

That is some verbose double talk to explain away a distinction without a difference.

But there is a difference.

A thief is one whose life is based on living it by stealing. A child who took a pencil from someone may have stolen but we wouldn't classify him as a thief. When one joins himself/herself to Jesus, he/she ceases being a sinner, he/she is a new creation.

 

[Father Heathen]

If a=b then c=d?

Where did you get that from what I said? And the context for which it was said? Or did you expect that when one said "Jesus is my Lord".... POOF... He acts perfectly?

You said once someone is a Christian, they're not a sinner even if they sin, which sounds like their sins are excused and thus they can sin with impunity.

 

[ppp]

Sure. But I'm not one that would force someone to convert...

Why does that matter? Are you saying that there is a list of sins that one absolutely cannot commit and still be a Christian? That no one who has engaged in coercion was a Christian. Any type of coercion, or only physical assault?

Yes, I am trying to pin you down to an unambiguous position.

Of course that's impossible to actually do, but you can get them to say the words.

In this we agree

 

[F1fan]

LOL... No, I am Christian that realizes that God loves the world. In my signature perspective, "For God so loved the world (that includes you and me), that He gave His only begotten son that whosever believes in him will no perish but have everlasting life. (At least in my world-view)

Yeah, this is pretty much a meaningless slogan though. This is what I remember being told when I was a child, along with Santa bringing gifts and the Toothfairy leaving money for my teeth. I did get gifts from Santa, and I got money for my teeth.

As I grew up I learned this was just adults.

I also learned that life isn't fair, that not everyone in the world is nice, and the universe is hostile to life.

Your slogan above is uplifting to the naive, but to the realists it is a deceptive ploy. You might believe your slogan above, but how is it consistent with famines? How is it consistent with natural disasters? How is it consistent with genetic faults that leave some babies deformed, or deat at birth, or with the lottery of genes that cause cancers and other fatal diseases in children?

Your slogan above might be a comforting fantasyland distraction from harsh realities, but it takes work to maintain that illusion, and the belief that a God exists and cares for humanity. That must be exhausting.

 

[ppp]

A thief is one whose life is based on living it by stealing.

A thief is someone who steals something. If you have never stolen anything in your life and you take wallet, then you are a thief. You may not be a career thief, but you are still a thief.

When one joins himself/herself to Jesus, he/she ceases being a sinner, he/she is a new creation.

Re-wording your distinction without a difference is still a distinction without a difference.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I understand you haven't studied the scriptures.

i am of the faith of Abraham and not of the law of Moses which was for the Jewish nation.

You understand very wrong. I was on the path of the clergy and Church leadership when I left.
Without the OT there is no promise of a Messiah, there is no need for a Messiah. There is no Prophecy, there are no Laws.
You may not follow the Mosaic Law, but that Law is still the basis of the Abrahamic religions and it is very intolerant, pretty much as intolerant as Paul.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When one joins himself/herself to Jesus, he/she ceases being a sinne

Except that's not the case and even Paul discusses ways to discuss the sins of a brother with that person.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Why does that matter? Are you saying that there is a list of sins that one absolutely cannot commit and still be a Christian?

Not exactly but "by their fruits you shall know them."
It's one thing to commit sins unintentionally or without malice. But quite another to deliberately harm innocent people. There do seem to be sins that have stronger consequences but no sin except total rejection God is unforgivable.
If someone is deliberately and systematically forcing himself on others with violence, we have every reason to doubt his Christianity. If someone commits a violent act once and then repents, that's a different story.

 

[Kenny]

You said once someone is a Christian, they're not a sinner even if they sin, which sounds like their sins are excused and thus they can sin with impunity.

Wrong assumption... if one is a Christian, as a famous man once said, (paraphrased)
"That means you must not give sin a vote in the way you conduct your lives. Don’t give it the time of day. Don’t even run little errands that are connected with that old way of life. Throw yourselves wholeheartedly and full-time—remember, you’ve been raised from the dead!—into God’s way of doing things. Sin can’t tell you how to live. After all, you’re not living under that old tyranny any longer. You’re living in the freedom of God."

But, again, being a Christian doesn't translate that we become perfect

 

[Kenny]

A thief is someone who steals something. If you have never stolen anything in your life and you take wallet, then you are a thief. You may not be a career thief, but you are still a thief.


Re-wording your distinction without a difference is still a distinction without a difference.

OK... I just see it differently. If you continue telling your child who stole, "you are a thief" they will become a thief. If you continuously tell your child "you're no good", they will become no good.

I see one as a state of being and the other an act.

At least in the light of my signature.

 

[Kenny]

You understand very wrong. I was on the path of the clergy and Church leadership when I left.
Without the OT there is no promise of a Messiah, there is no need for a Messiah. There is no Prophecy, there are no Laws.
You may not follow the Mosaic Law, but that Law is still the basis of the Abrahamic religions and it is very intolerant, pretty much as intolerant as Paul.

I don't know what they taught you, but apparently you didn't finish your studies.

There is a difference between "The Law" and "Messianic Prophesies".

 

[Kenny]

Except that's not the case and even Paul discusses ways to discuss the sins of a brother with that person.

can you quote please

 

[Shadow Wolf]

can you quote please

I got Jesus and Paul mixed up in this case.
Jesus said to talk it out, privately at first.(Matthew 18:15-17)
Paul was the spirit of correction. (Galatians 6:1)
Paul is also the one who said if you sin you deceive yourself and make Jehovah out to be a liar (1 John 1:8-10).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know what they taught you, but apparently you didn't finish your studies.

There is a difference between "The Law" and "Messianic Prophesies".

Obviously. I didn't even say or imply they are the same.

 

[ppp]

If you continue telling your child who stole, "you are a thief" they will become a thief. If you continuously tell your child "you're no good", they will become no good.

This has nothing to do with anything in my post, or the rest of your post.