ppp
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So, your answer is no. A person can still be a Christian no matter what acts he has committed.
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"Christian Nationalism is Not Christianity"
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joelr
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Well right, God sent Gabrielle to update Islam and they have the newest truth (except for Mormon and Bahai). So there is that. Their evidence isn't better or worse than yours. If people are going to make claims about Gods based on really bad evidence than you cannot expect others to not do the same. It doesn't matter what you think or claim God said, they have their updates, feel it in their heart, feel the prescence of Allah, all the same emotional manipulations. I have personal experience with Muslims. The Quran also is the power to change a persons heart. Until rational, skeptical and empirical thinking is embraced by all .....
But I meant ISIS is attacking your city. What do you do? Turn the other cheek? Pray for them? Give them your cloak?
Whether you talk to born Muslims or Muslims who have embraced Islam during their lives, you’ll find one thing in common between both groups of people. Most, if not all, feel the magnetism of the Noble Quran in their lives. This holy book pulls people to read it, inspires their hearts and changes their minds. As it was revealed in the Noble Quran:
Reverts to Islam, those who have chosen Islam over their birth religion and gone back to a natural state of Islam, have felt this undeniable pull more so than most.
I, personally, felt this pull when I was a young Christian mother grappling with the tragic death of my grandmother. On the same night I heard the heartbreaking news; I grieved in the darkness of my bedroom and had no idea how to cope with the loss.
Suddenly, I felt this intense urge to get up and read an English translation of the Quran that I had been given by a friend. It was sitting atop a high shelf and it was all I could do to stop myself from reading it right then and there. It would be a few more weeks of mourning before I decided to open the Quran and finally see what it was all about.
Guide for Human Existence
In many non-Muslim societies we see countless people struggling with various aspects of life, such as drug addiction or another vice. Yet the Quran serves as a guidebook for living that tells Muslims how best to live, how to differentiate between right and wrong, and even outlines laws that help the weaker members of society.
The Quran has the power to change hearts and minds because it can reach those people who may have been shunned by society, such as the poor, the elderly, women and orphans. The Noble Quran uplifts these people with a captivating text that captures the heart and touches the human soul.
There is no other religious text or any book that could live up to a single chapter of the Quran. This Divine book is a mercy from God and truly a gift to humanity.
OK... I can get it mixed up too. But I think you have misunderstood:
Gal 6: Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path.
This is private. "You" - one - gently and humbly help the person back onto the right path. There is not coloring of public pointing or demean the person.
As a side note... your next quote is also wrong. You are quoting John and not Paul. (hint 1 "John") and I'm not sure what your application is with this quote.
It is the difference between a lie and a liar and someone who stole versus a thief. So I disagree with your statement
That's not true. Being a Christian, that is being worthy of Jesus Christ is something that only God can determine.
For instance, in my humble and personal opinion, I consider my own country an overwhelmingly pagan-atheistic country, a country where people are either atheists or fake Christians.
I consider my governors entirely atheists\ fake Christians because in order to be a Christian you need to have a minimum (I am not saying a lot, a saying just a minimum) of fear of God.
That is, the awareness that if you betray your own people, God will send you to the Gehenna.
Such awareness is practically absent, ergo they are not Christians.
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ppp
Well-Known Member
You said, "OK... I just see it differently. If you continue telling your child who stole, "you are a thief" they will become a thief. If you continuously tell your child "you're no good", they will become no good"
You can disagree until your face turns blue, but there is no text in your post that addresses the difference between a thief and a theft. The only thing in your text is a claim about the negative impact of constantly berating a child.
ppp
Well-Known Member
If only your god can determine what a Christian is, then nothing that you say on the matter can possibly be pertinent.
Exactly...I forgot to point out that was my personal opinion.
I hope to be wrong. Otherwise it would be a hopeless and nightmarish situation.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You probably don't want to say you aren't sinning.
I have no problem with you esteeming the Quran. It is your belief. But the Quran cannot be right and, at the same time, the Bible, the Vedas et al... they are all too different. And we all have our journey to figure out what we will believe as we respect the right of every other person to do the same.
You are right when you say, "If people are going to make claims about Gods based on really bad evidence than you cannot expect others to not do the same."
Sorry about your grandmother.
Of course, in light of my signature, I would disagree with your statement about the Quran but that is the nature of free will
What would I do if ISIS came to attack us? Love the innocent people by protecting them as I pray for all
I disagree:
James 3: 8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
Matt 12: 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
A deeper study in "words" will give release the understanding of the difference between "judging a man" which you don't do vs "judging an action" which you are suppose to do.
But, of course, I speak in light of my signature and your religion may say something different.
Not at all and that isn't what I am saying. What I am saying is there is a difference between "being a sinner", which I am not, and "have I sinned", which I can find myself having done and must address the incongruence of who I am vs. what I just did.
I think we can all agree that we all sin and nobody is perfect. (Of which, by my signature, I would say there is one who didn't)
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I don't believe that a person can continuously do evil to others and be a Christian... That's what it means that they will be known by their fruit. There's what people profess, and then there's what they are, and they're not always the same thing.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I cannot be fussed to read quotes from someone who cannot be fussed to present (and discuss) their own reasoning in their own words.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I didn't ask you that. I asked if a person can still be a Christian no matter what acts he has committed.
But I did... you just didn't want to hear what I was saying and understand what I was saying. I gave logical examples (that can be empirically verified), gave understanding, and gave definitions.
Like a famous person said, John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
If he has sincerely repented of those acts, of course. The apostle Paul was once a murderer.
I think you are putting a "what if" question that only God can answer. IMV, a true Christian more often than not wouldn't go out a "do" an act that puts his union with God in jeopardy.
But to your question:
Are there those who have who were already Christians? Yes (scripturally) - but when and which one? I think if we made that line, there would be a whole lot of people walking the fine line. Instead we simply go as far away from such a line because of love sake.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I'm already too bored to continue.
LOL - well, you certainly didn't debunk what I said. You are a free-will spiritual agent and your are free to be bored.