Christian: RCC-Prot Gospel

[Fish-Hunter]

My understanding is that when the NT refers to scriptures, it is referring to the OT.


The Bible calls for us to "hold fast to the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or epistle."(2 Thessalonian 2:15) and calls the Church "the pillar and ground of the truth"(1 Timothy 3:15)

Secondly, the Biblical canon itself is an extra-Biblical tradition.

That said, there has not been in my experience any difference in the Gospel preached at protestant worship and at Catholic Mass.

Thanks for the posting. If you think about both communities, both Rome and Historical Protestants use Paul's anathema found in Galatians 1, accusing the other community for preaching a different gospel. The Council of Trent of Rome added numerous anathemas condemning the Protestant gospel.

Roman Catholicism - Council of Trent council of trent - Google Search

Protestantism - Historical Protestant Confessions such as the WCF and LBC 1689.

The main point of the Protestant Reformation is the recovery of the biblical gospel of grace through faith. The solas are essential gospel issues. The Catholic Eucharist and other Roman Catholic sacraments are essential to the Roman Catholic gospel. If you say that there is no difference in a Protestant worship service and a Catholic Mass, you have implied that the Protestant Reformation was not a work of God, but of the enemy. Could you please share what you believe were the central issues of the Protestant Reformation.

Historic Church Documents at Reformed.org

The link above is my understanding of the central issues of the Protestant Reformation.

 

[Scott1]

Thanks for the posting. If you think about both communities, both Rome and Historical Protestants use Paul's anathema found in Galatians 1, accusing the other community for preaching a different gospel. The Council of Trent of Rome added numerous anathemas condemning the Protestant gospel.

Nope.... quite a different set of circumstances.... I don't believe you preach a different Gospel... just one that is confused and lacking.

The main point of the Protestant Reformation is the recovery of the biblical gospel of grace through faith. The solas are essential gospel issues.

Recovery? That implies it was tought previous to the reformation... can you show me where?

Could you please share what you believe were the central issues of the Protestant Reformation.

Non-historical... non-biblical additions to Chrisianity.

The link above is my understanding of the central issues of the Protestant Reformation.

I'm done looking at a website with 500 pages of documents... pick one... please.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Hi Scott,

Could we please wait for Mister Emu to answer first? Let's try not to go into so many different directions and focus on the gospel of grace first. It is easy for both of us to get defensive, but let's try to listen to each other. And by the grace of God, let's try to post with gentleness and mutual-respect.

1 Peter 3:15:
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

While we wait for Mister Emu's response, please share the hope that you have as a Christian.

 

[Scott1]

Could we please wait for Mister Emu to answer first?

Sure.. but any reason you ignored my post previous to his? (#19)

While we wait for Mister Emu's response, please share the hope that you have as a Christian.

That the sons and daughters of the Reformation are reconciled with the faith of the historical Churches.

 

[Scott1]

I'll just add a few links for you to consider while we 'wait':

Early Christian Liturgy

Early EUCHARIST of the Christian Church

NT Canon

Early Church Documents

.... keep in mind, NONE of these are RCC sites.... but clearly show the difference between historical Christianity and "Reformed Christianity".

 

[Fish-Hunter]

I'll just add a few links for you to consider while we 'wait':

Early Christian Liturgy

Early EUCHARIST of the Christian Church

NT Canon

Early Church Documents

.... keep in mind, NONE of these are RCC sites.... but clearly show the difference between historical Christianity and "Reformed Christianity".

Scott, you are jumping way ahead of yourself. Here is a basic biblical question and instuction by the Apostle Peter:

"Please share the hope that you have as a Christian".

1 Peter 3:15:
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

 

[Scott1]

Scott, you are jumping way ahead of yourself. Here is a basic biblical question and instuction by the Apostle Peter:

"Please share the hope that you have as a Christian".

I've already answered this biblical question.... "May they all be one..."

 

[Fish-Hunter]

I've already answered this biblical question.... "May they all be one..."

Please look at the verse again. Pretend that I am not a Christian. Now try to answer the question I am asking you as a non-believer. Internet communication is very difficult.

"Please share the hope that you have as a Christian".

1 Peter 3:15:
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

 

[Scott1]

Please look at the verse again. Pretend that I am not a Christian. Now try to answer the question I am asking you as a non-believer. Internet communication is very difficult.

I think I get ya...

"Please share the hope that you have as a Christian".

My reason for hope is: Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

"But do you also, if you please, give reverential attention to the prophetic Scriptures, and they will make your way plainer for escaping the eternal punishments, and obtaining the eternal prizes of God. For He who gave the mouth for speech, and formed the ear to hear, and made the eye to see, will examine all things, and will judge righteous judgment, rendering merited awards to each. To those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek immortality, He will give life everlasting, joy, peace, rest, and abundance of good things, which neither hath eye seen, nor ear heard, nor hath it entered into the heart of man to conceive. But to the unbelieving and despisers, who obey not the truth, but are obedient to unrighteousness, when they shall have been filled with adulteries and fornications, and filthiness, and covetousness, and unlawful idolatries, there shall be anger and wrath, tribulation and anguish, and at the last everlasting fire shall possess such men. Since you said, "Show me thy God," this is my God, and I counsel you to fear Him and to trust Him."
-Theophilius of Antioch, To Autolycus, I:14 (A.D. 181).

 

[Fish-Hunter]

I think I get ya...

My reason for hope is: Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

"But do you also, if you please, give reverential attention to the prophetic Scriptures, and they will make your way plainer for escaping the eternal punishments, and obtaining the eternal prizes of God. For He who gave the mouth for speech, and formed the ear to hear, and made the eye to see, will examine all things, and will judge righteous judgment, rendering merited awards to each. To those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek immortality, He will give life everlasting, joy, peace, rest, and abundance of good things, which neither hath eye seen, nor ear heard, nor hath it entered into the heart of man to conceive. But to the unbelieving and despisers, who obey not the truth, but are obedient to unrighteousness, when they shall have been filled with adulteries and fornications, and filthiness, and covetousness, and unlawful idolatries, there shall be anger and wrath, tribulation and anguish, and at the last everlasting fire shall possess such men. Since you said, "Show me thy God," this is my God, and I counsel you to fear Him and to trust Him."
-Theophilius of Antioch, To Autolycus, I:14 (A.D. 181).

That's good, but what do you mean by "Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior"?

 

[Scott1]

That's good, but what do you mean by "Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior"?

Hehe.... starting to feel like a "test".... ummm.... sir yes sir!

Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Hehe.... starting to feel like a "test".... ummm.... sir yes sir!

Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

That's nice, but how does that affect me and others?

 

[Scott1]

That's nice, but how does that affect me and others?

It does not affect you or anyone else... my conscience is not binding upon anyone other than me.

Thanks for asking.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

It does not affect you or anyone else... my conscience is not binding upon anyone other than me.

Thanks for asking.

That's not the point of our discussion. Christianity is mutally exclusive to religious pluralism because Christ made exclusive claims. I am pretending to be a non-believer and you are sharing the hope that you have because I'm asking. The Great Commission is understood by Roman Catholics and Protestants alike. Even LDS Christians take the Great Commission seriously through their door to door ministry. BTW...you are doing fine, just keep going with your answers.

Let's try again where we left off.

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Originally Posted by Scott1
Hehe.... starting to feel like a "test".... ummm.... sir yes sir!

Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

That's nice, but how does that affect me and others? - Fish-Hunter

 

[Scott1]

I am pretending to be a non-believer and you are sharing the hope that you have because I'm asking.

Ahh... I see... no thanks.

If you'd like to discuss the OP, I'd be happy to, but I'd prefer not to play games.

In Christ,
S

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Ahh... I see... no thanks.

If you'd like to discuss the OP, I'd be happy to, but I'd prefer not to play games.

In Christ,
S

I find it quite strange that a Christian doesn't want to share the gospel (good news) of God. This is not a Protestant or a Roman Catholic issue. Check out how many times the word gospel can be found in the Holy Bible. Hey Scott, is your faith in Christ and His glorious gospel alone? Or are you trusting in Roman Catholic doctrine instead of the gospel of God's grace? I cannot discuss and debate the two versions of the gospel of grace, if you don't know the hope that you have, and why?

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I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome. I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." - Rom 1:16-17

 

[Scott1]

I find it quite strange that a Christian doesn't want to share the gospel (good news) of God.

I'd love to .... but this is a debate thread, not an audition for "Gospel Idol"... I could care less about your opinion of my "performance"... I would rather discuss and debate the issues at hand.

Instead... all I get are questions and links... please decide what you'd like to do.

Hey Scott, is your faith in Christ and His glorious gospel alone? Or are you trusting in Roman Catholic doctrine instead of the gospel of God's grace? I cannot discuss and debate the two versions of the gospel of grace, if you don't know the hope that you have, and why?

I trust in the truth as revealed to the Church in her Traditions and the Word of God.

If you can't explain your views without making me jump through hoops for you or giving me link of someone else's views, what's the point of this thread?

Real simple.... since you are an expert in Catholic teaching and in your faith, how about you detail for me all the errors of the Catholic doctrine and I'll give you my opinion.

You know... kinda like one would do on a debate forum. :sarcastic

 

[Fish-Hunter]

I trust in the truth as revealed to the Church in her Traditions and the Word of God.

:sarcastic

What is the gospel of God's grace according to the Roman Catholic Church? I know the Roman Catholic understanding of the gospel is found through the Bible and sacred tradition. So, wha't the gospel or the good news of God according to Rome?

However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace. - Apostle Paul

I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome. I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." - Rom 1:16-17

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 2 Cor 4

 

[Scott1]

What is the gospel of God's grace according to the Roman Catholic Church? I know the Roman Catholic understanding of the gospel is found through the Bible and sacred tradition. So, wha't the gospel or the good news of God according to Rome?

On another thread, you claim superior knowledge about the Catholic faith.. now you have a simple question.... funny fella.

RC "Gospel"

 

[rheff78]

I'm very confused about this whole discussion.