Christian Teens Beheaded

[FFH]

There are Islamic terriorist just as there are Christian terriorist.

There are Islamic saints just as there are Christian saints.

It is where the majority stand in each religion is what is of concern here.

If the majority allow the terriorist to speak and act in the name of their religion out of fear or indifference, they should not be shocked when they too are considered terriorist.

wow exactly

 

[ChrisP]

lmfao... Come on now. That is ridiculous and you know it. The entire country was up in arms over the Soviet Union and were very interested in winning the cold war. Muslims don't seem at all interested in fighting terrorism. You know how I can tell? Because they aren't doing a damn thing about it.

Now, I know that they have less power and less guns and less ability. I understand that. But, the world over, poll after poll, Muslims seem to think that its' OK to kill Westerners and Jews. It's a scary reality. Pretending like it's just a few crazy people is absurd, if not blatantly dishonest.

You normally think your posts through well, Dardale. And that is why this one is surprising.

Muslim people face the same problems with terrorism that Western countries do. In fact more Muslims are killed than Westerners in attacks.

Somehow I doubt that any Muslim planning an attack is likely to tell a true Muslim what he was about to do for fear that the true Muslim would feel compelled to interfere. So what we have is small groups of mercenaries recruiting young fanatics, and warping their minds to perform tasks beneficial to the people at the top. Hmmmm sounds like the American Army.

 

[Ardent Listener]

I agree with some of what you say, with reservation.

Sure there are Christian terrorists (if you say so) , but there is freedom of press in Christian countries (I don't know of one that hasn't).

In Islamic countries, I should imagine that news is very 'selective' and that the populace is 'fed' with propaganda. That is the difference.

Then what about the ones who are living in countries that have freedom of the press like ........let's say..... France? What is their excuse?

 

[FFH]

"Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall seperate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast our your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake."
Luke 6: 22

 

[FFH]

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake."
Luke 21: 17

 

[FFH]

The world cannot hate you, but me it hateth, because I (Jesus) testify of it, THAT THE WORKS THEREOF ARE EVIL.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

Hmmmm sounds like the American Army.

Don't you dare disgrace the military.

 

[Darkdale]

Somehow I doubt that any Muslim planning an attack is likely to tell a true Muslim what he was about to do for fear that the true Muslim would feel compelled to interfere. So what we have is small groups of mercenaries recruiting young fanatics, and warping their minds to perform tasks beneficial to the people at the top. Hmmmm sounds like the American Army.

I just don't think that the facts reflect that picture. Honest to god, I wish it did.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

I just had to throw this in here, couldn't resist

You cannot legitimately blame an entire religion for the actions of a few.

Watch me.

 

[BUDDY]

You cannot legitimately blame an entire religion for the actions of a few.

Why not? It has been done to me and other Christians for years. Things like "I refuse to be a memebr of a group that has done ___________ (fill in reason here)." We do not hear an outcry from any sect of the muslim community condemning the actions of jihadist's. The silence is deafening. If they refuse to stand against it, how can a rational mind come up with any answer to it other than, they must think it to be okay?

 

[Pah]

In response to, "You cannot legitimately blame an entire religion for the actions of a few." , Christiangirl0909 said, "Watch me".

Okay, my turn! I choose Christianity but I'm not going to include EEWRED in that.

 

[Katzpur]

You cannot legitimately blame an entire religion for the actions of a few.

Watch me.

I think the key word here is “legitimate.” If something is legitimate, it is “reasonable, justifiable and valid.” Of course, you can blame an entire religion for the actions of a few. You just did. But you did not provide any evidence that you did so “legitimately.”



Do you personally know any Muslims? I don’t mean, have you ever stood behind a Muslim in line at a bank or sat next to a Muslim on a bus. I mean, do you have Muslim co-workers, friends or neighbors? If you do, do you hold them personally responsible for these atrocities? I don’t know a great many Muslims personally, but I do know roughly a half dozen, and all of them are fine people who find terrorism as abhorrent as I do.

You cannot legitimately blame an entire religion for the actions of a few.

Why not? It has been done to me and other Christians for years.

And that makes it okay for you to do the same? Is that how you understand your Savior’s message? If I have been hurt, it’s okay for me to retaliate? If I have been blamed unjustly in the past, I have a right to blame someone else unjustly?

 

[BUDDY]

And that makes it okay for you to do the same? Is that how you understand your Savior’s message? If I have been hurt, it’s okay for me to retaliate? If I have been blamed unjustly in the past, I have a right to blame someone else unjustly?

Read the whole post Katzpur. I think it is totally reasonable to weigh the actions of a relion and its leaders to come to a decision involving them, their beliefs and their ideas. Looking at the entire weight of evidence, I have come to the conclusion that the vast majority of those who practice Islam either agree with the terrorist acts, support the terrorist acts, committ the terrorist acts or find some sort of logic to try to understand and sympathise with the terrorist acts. That to me indicates a problem with the religion itself. MY personal opinion, but looking at the evidence it is honestly the only one that I can come up with. I did not say anything about retaliating, and that is not what the original post implied. I do not think it is proper to punish someone for what they believe, but I think it entirely legitimate to punish someone for the actions that they take. That is why I support the ending of terrorism, but I do not ask for the ending of Islam. One is reasonable and the other is not.

 

[Katzpur]

Read the whole post Katzpur. I think it is totally reasonable to weigh the actions of a relion and its leaders to come to a decision involving them, their beliefs and their ideas. Looking at the entire weight of evidence, I have come to the conclusion that the vast majority of those who practice Islam either agree with the terrorist acts, support the terrorist acts, committ the terrorist acts or find some sort of logic to try to understand and sympathise with the terrorist acts. That to me indicates a problem with the religion itself. MY personal opinion, but looking at the evidence it is honestly the only one that I can come up with. I did not say anything about retaliating, and that is not what the original post implied. I do not think it is proper to punish someone for what they believe, but I think it entirely legitimate to punish someone for the actions that they take. That is why I support the ending of terrorism, but I do not ask for the ending of Islam. One is reasonable and the other is not.

EEWRED,

I guess my personal experience has led me to believe otherwise. Obviously, I don't know any Muslims living in Iraq or any of the Islamic countries neighboring it. It is possible that the majority of those individuals support the terrorist attacks. I can only speak from my experience and interactions with the Muslims I know personally. Furthermore, I don't see the religion itself as teaching terrorism. I see these acts as being perpetrated by individuals and groups who have misinterpreted the actual tenets of their faith. For the same reason, I don't think it would be fair to make a judgment about Christianity on the basis of what took place during the Crusades. That's the best example I can think of.

I apologize for using the word "retaliate." I realize you didn't imply that we should retaliate. I should have simply omitted that one sentence. I can assure you, however, that I am every bit as much in favor of ending terrorism as the next person.

 

[FFH]

Muslims burned 100 cars and several businesses in Paris, a few days ago, in protest over the death of two young muslim boys. After being chased by police, these two boys were accidently electricuted by an electric fence and died. Is this the fault of the police ???? Is this the fault of the community as a whole ????? NO yet some Muslims, in Paris, seem to blame the people of Paris for an accidental death. And if I remeber right Paris is not even involved in the Iraqi war.

Was the burning of 100 cars and several business done in the name of Allah ???? This is not the God that I serve. My God would never ask me to do these kinds of things, or anything like it, in protest to anything. Burning things is a primal behavior, and this behavior deserves to be annalized by all human beings, and discussed as to whether the Islamic religion encourages people to be peaceful or destructive. There are varying degrees of destruction, ranging from the destruction of a human life to the destruction of a human soul. Does the Islam religion destroy the human soul or save it ??? Are there millions of Muslims who are torn up inside, and yet silent a bout it???? Are the Muslim people crying out for help ????? Should we not help them ????? Usually outward destructive behavior indicates inward destruction of a soul or spirit. I think that there are Muslims that are crying out for help for something more than what their religion can give them.

Islam is not a religion of the same God that I serve. I think It is a trick of the Devil to make millions of people believe that we can be saved by good works alone. Yes there are many Muslims who do good works. This is not enough. We all need a savior. The only Savior of mankind is Jesus Christ and he is the only way to Heaven.

I am neither a hater of another human being nor a bigot. There are those that hate Bush for his presence in Iraq and more recently those that even hated the presence of Bush himself in South America. There are those that just hate Bush. This is bigotry. Bush is trying to rid the world of unlawful people and terrorists and trying to introduce Democracy and Christianity. Is this bigotry on Bush's part. No, it is being an upright citizen of the world as a whole. We must fight terrorism and question the religion of Islam and help or save them from this religion that excludes Christ as the Savior. We must not allow the Devil to deceive any more people unnecessarily. Do not the Muslim people deserve a chance at knowing a Christian God and Christ as their Savior ????? This is why Bush is in Iraq, to bring the Christian God to that area of the world. God ordained Bush for such a time as this, not only to bring Democracy, but to bring Christianity to areas of the world that need it, before the coming of Christ to earth. Read the prophecy of Daniel. All kingdoms of this world will become kingoms of our God....The gospel of Christ must be preached to all the world and then the end cometh. Muslims must not fight against Christianity but embrace it. I think the Muslims deserve a chance at Christianity and I will do my part to get this message across to as many as possible. Is this hate?????? Is this bigotry?????? To try to help another human being to see what you see and to understand what you understand?????? This is not hate but LOVE.

 

[michel]

Then what about the ones who are living in countries that have freedom of the press like ........let's say..... France? What is their excuse?

They thought they were going to a 'land of riches'; they have ended up in squalid slums. They are disallusioned, and see themselves as treated in a worse manner than all others..........that could be you..........

I just had to throw this in here, couldn't resist


Watch me.

What a fine advertisment you make, for Christianity...........

Why not? It has been done to me and other Christians for years. Things like "I refuse to be a memebr of a group that has done ___________ (fill in reason here)." We do not hear an outcry from any sect of the muslim community condemning the actions of jihadist's. The silence is deafening. If they refuse to stand against it, how can a rational mind come up with any answer to it other than, they must think it to be okay?

So you would like to see others suffer as you have ? - what a wonderfully Christian attitude, you must be very proud of yourself.

Read the whole post Katzpur. I think it is totally reasonable to weigh the actions of a relion and its leaders to come to a decision involving them, their beliefs and their ideas. Looking at the entire weight of evidence, I have come to the conclusion that the vast majority of those who practice Islam either agree with the terrorist acts, support the terrorist acts, committ the terrorist acts or find some sort of logic to try to understand and sympathise with the terrorist acts. That to me indicates a problem with the religion itself. MY personal opinion, but looking at the evidence it is honestly the only one that I can come up with. I did not say anything about retaliating, and that is not what the original post implied. I do not think it is proper to punish someone for what they believe, but I think it entirely legitimate to punish someone for the actions that they take. That is why I support the ending of terrorism, but I do not ask for the ending of Islam. One is reasonable and the other is not.

You have evidence, figures ? I take it you have polled muslims in various countries, to be able to talk so knowingly ?

Muslims burned 100 cars and several businesses in Paris, a few days ago, in protest over the death of two young muslim boys. After being chased by police, these two boys were accidently electricuted by an electric fence and died. Is this the fault of the police ???? Is this the fault of the community as a whole ????? NO yet some Muslims, in Paris, seem to blame the people of Paris for an accidental death. And if I remeber right Paris is not even involved in the Iraqi war.

Was the burning of 100 cars and several business done in the name of Allah ???? This is not the God that I serve. My God would never ask me to do these kinds of things, or anything like it, in protest to anything. Burning things is a primal behavior, and this behavior deserves to be annalized by all human beings, and discussed as to whether the Islamic religion encourages people to be peaceful or destructive. There are varying degrees of destruction, ranging from the destruction of a human life to the destruction of a human soul. Does the Islam religion destroy the human soul or save it ??? Are there millions of Muslims who are torn up inside, and yet silent a bout it???? Are the Muslim people crying out for help ????? Should we not help them ????? Usually outward destructive behavior indicates inward destruction of a soul or spirit. I think that there are Muslims that are crying out for help for something more than what their religion can give them.

Islam is not a religion of the same God that I serve. I think It is a trick of the Devil to make millions of people believe that we can be saved by good works alone. Yes there are many Muslims who do good works. This is not enough. We all need a savior. The only Savior of mankind is Jesus Christ and he is the only way to Heaven.

I am neither a hater of another human being nor a bigot. There are those that hate Bush for his presence in Iraq and more recently those that even hated the presence of Bush himself in South America. There are those that just hate Bush. This is bigotry. Bush is trying to rid the world of unlawful people and terrorists and trying to introduce Democracy and Christianity. Is this bigotry on Bush's part. No, it is being an upright citizen of the world as a whole. We must fight terrorism and question the religion of Islam and help or save them from this religion that excludes Christ as the Savior. We must not allow the Devil to deceive any more people unnecessarily. Do not the Muslim people deserve a chance at knowing a Christian God and Christ as their Savior ????? This is why Bush is in Iraq, to bring the Christian God to that area of the world. God ordained Bush for such a time as this, not only to bring Democracy, but to bring Christianity to areas of the world that need it, before the coming of Christ to earth. Read the prophecy of Daniel. All kingdoms of this world will become kingoms of our God....The gospel of Christ must be preached to all the world and then the end cometh. Muslims must not fight against Christianity but embrace it. I think the Muslims deserve a chance at Christianity and I will do my part to get this message across to as many as possible. Is this hate?????? Is this bigotry?????? To try to help another human being to see what you see and to understand what you understand?????? This is not hate but LOVE.

I really am sorry that you feel you must convert all Islamics to your faith; I expect they are happy with theirs........in it's true form, it is just as noble as Christianity; or are you 'better' than others, because of your (our) religion ?:shout

 

[ChrisP]

What a fine advertisment you make, for Christianity...........

I dunno Mich, she makes me chuckle sometimes .

I just don't think that the facts reflect that picture. Honest to god, I wish it did.

Ahhh well. Do you live in the US? If so come outside and see the world a bit, I think you may be surprised how many wonderful people of different religions there are. Many countries have a huge number of religions within them and serious feelings of hostility but little violence is known. (India, Malaysia, Ireland) You've just got to be smart about which street you walk down. Although
I think a lot also depends on where you get your facts from. OOOoohhh if you could only see the propaganda I've seen, and most of it comes from that aptly named network of craftiness "FOX"

 

[FFH]

I really am sorry that you feel you must convert all Islamics to your faith; I expect they are happy with theirs........in it's true form, it is just as noble as Christianity; or are you 'better' than others, because of your (our) religion ?:shout

No one is above or better than another.

"For there is no respect of persons with God"
Romans 2: 11

I am not trying to convert all people of Islam. This is not my responsibility. It is the responsibility of the Holy Ghost (Spirit or Comforter) to touch men's hearts and point them to Jesus Christ (Savior), who Redeems us from our sins, in order to live with God (Our Father in Heaven), It is important that WE as Christians educate as many people of Islam to this message as possible then the Holy Ghost will do the converting.

It is our Job as Christians to educate as many people as we can.

It is our Job as Christians to educate not convert. The Holy Ghost (Comforter or Spirit) Is the only one that can convert a human heart. We can only educate.

 

[FFH]

We Christians are not the enemy of Islam. There are some in the Islamic faith that whole heartedly believe this. This is apparent in the killings of these three Christian Indonesian school girls. I would never kill an innocent girl on her way to school just because of her faith. We (Christians) are not the enemy. Satan is the enemy. Satan is the enemy of our souls. How many people of Islam are hurting and would like to have peace in their souls as we do as Christians. I have peace in my soul as a Christian and do not hate another for their religion or because of their evil actions. I only want to educate as many people as possible to the true way to our Father in Heaven and that is Jesus Christ not the Quran.

True way to the Father

Holy Ghost (Comforter or Spirit)
Jesus Christ (Savior or Redeemer)
God (Our Father in Heaven)

The Quran and good works cannot save us or help us to live with God someday. The Quran and doing good works will not reconcile us to the Father. The Quran or by being good will not cleanse us of past sins. ONLY JESUS CHRIST CAN CLEANSE US OF PAST SINS.

 

[FFH]

The law of the Bibile ,alone, or good works, alone, cannot save us. Only Jesus Christ can and will save us from sin and death.