Christian Teens Beheaded

[FFH]

Dang it Darkdale, I was gonna say that. I really wish you would quit beating me to the punch.


Craig

Isn't Darkdale great. He seems to always say what I am thinking too Only he says it much better than I could say it.

You know your pic reminds me of an Oreo cookie

 

[Pah]

Hey Sunstone,

The only thing I can disagree with here is the labeling of people who have legitimate concerns as being one sided and bigoted. I am not reading that Islam is being condemned as a whole, it is being brought to bear for the direct connection to terrorism. I am positive that most of the doubters would back off if they saw more in the way of proof that Islam is fighting terrorism internally.

When is hate a legitimate concern of those that hate? I'm more concerned about those who have joined the circle of violence and hatred.

 

[Darkdale]

When is hate a legitimate concern of those that hate? I'm more concerned about those who have joined the circle of violence and hatred.

blah blah blah, "if you don't agree with me, you are a hateful bigot", blah blah blah.

Terrorism and Islamic Fascism are both legitimate concerns. As they say, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

 

[Ryan2065]

Terrorism and Islamic Fascism are both legitimate concerns. As they say, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

Yes, but we do seem to have people here who label all of Islam as terrorists... Or are you saying this is what you agree with?

We are not saying that terrorism is NOT a legitimate concern. The only thing we are saying is that Islam AGREES that terrorism is a legitimate concern and has said so in the past. People who are bigoted out there ignore the things Islam leaders say and only pay attention to the ones that are anti America to further their own cause.

 

[Ardent Listener]

Yes, but we do seem to have people here who label all of Islam as terrorists... Or are you saying this is what you agree with?

We are not saying that terrorism is NOT a legitimate concern. The only thing we are saying is that Islam AGREES that terrorism is a legitimate concern and has said so in the past. People who are bigoted out there ignore the things Islam leaders say and only pay attention to the ones that are anti America to further their own cause.

Then those Islamic leaders outrage must be censured by the media in this country because I'm sure not hearing or reading about it. (With the exception of one Islamic warrior on this site.)

 

[michel]

Then those Islamic leaders outrage must be censured by the media in this country because I'm sure not hearing or reading about it. (With the exception of one Islamic warrior on this site.)

I agree. There are Islamic members on this forum who have distanced themselves from the terrorism. We cannot tar all with the same brush.

Islam, in principle is a religion that promotes peace.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Islam, in principle is a religion that promotes peace.

'Promotes' is a verb. Where and how is Islam 'promoting' peace?

 

[michel]

'Promotes' is a verb. Where and how is Islam 'promoting' peace?

Hehe, you know what I mean Deut; Islam is a religion that urges followers to be peaceful...
is that better ?

[Part QUOTE=http://www.answering-islam.org/TWOR/peacepromoting.html]
Now let us get on with our subject: DOES ISLAM PROMOTE PEACE? If so, what kind of peace? Recently, a Muslim young man gave me a pamphlet entitled "Islam Explained" (by the Islamic Circle of North America). It states that Islam "instructs people on how they may live together in peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs." While I would agree that most Muslims are in favor of "peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs", the question we want to answer is: Are Muslims for peace because of Islam or in spite of Islam? Does Islam itself promote peace and tolerance? Consider the following data ...
[/QUOTE]
The above is just a very short excerpt......seems like I am not the only one who uses gramatical shorthand.........

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Hehe, you know what I mean Deut; Islam is a religion that urges followers to be peaceful ... is that better ?

You tell me, Michel. What, in your opinion, are the causes and implications of you finding it necessary to reformulate your previous statement? Do you think they warrant chuckles ("hehe") and smilies?

 

[michel]

You tell me, Michel. What, in your opinion, are the causes and implications of you finding it necessary to reformulate your previous statement? Do you think they warrant chuckles ("hehe") and smilies?

the cause of my finding it necessary to reformulate my previous statement ? - surely, that is obvious - the answer is you. I wrote something which was gramatically incorrect, you picked me up on it, and I responded (in good grace because I am in good humour today - hence the smilies and hehe )

The implication of my reformulating my previous statement ? - the acknowledgement that I had written something in a sloppy manner, and the acceptance that you made a valid point.

I often use smilies; I see nothing wrong in it - I think it denotes that I am being 'pleasant' - I also find that smilies can alter the apparent intent of a post from a more serious slant, to a friendly one. If you would rather I use no smilies when posting to you, then please tell me so, and I will refrain from doing so.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

In reference to the question about where I got the phrase liberal guilt, it did not come from a talk show host. I was actually thinking of an episode of Southpark in which the phrase was uttered as I typed it.

I am not here saying that each and every Muslim in the world is a terrorist. However, I will say, and your poll supports the position that a disturbingly high number of them agree with terrorist's goals and tactics.

I am not a Christian, so don't think this is an example of me being a Christian Apologist or someone who is seeking to advance his religion over another religion. I have held the position for years that religion in general has done far more harm than good to humanity.

The violent brand of radical Islam which has grown more and more dangerous since the time of the Muslim Brotherhood's inception in Egypt in the 1920's is a stark example of why I feel this way toward organized religion.

I am hateful and bigoted (to use your terms) toward people who murder innocents in the name of their religion. I do not apologize for that. I also don't have fond feelings for those who support, or agree with those who murder and maim in the name of their religion. In my opinion, those who fall under the category of Islamic or Terrorist Apologists deserve no acclaim.

When terrorists bomb or behead people because they are of a different religion, or are a Sunni as opposed to a Shi'a, and people, whether Muslim or not, say they agree with the goals or tactics of the terrorist, then that person is a scumbag, not much better than the person who carried out the attack.

Apparently according to the poll posted a couple of pages ago, a significan percentage of those who claim to be from this religion of peace agree with the terrorists. I have a problem with that, and always will. That is a breeding ground for future terrorists. It is not the actions of a few which concern me, it is the actions of many who have been on a campaign for many years which has me very worried. If you are not worried about Islamic Terrorism, then frankly I question your lucidity.

B.

 

[Ardent Listener]

the cause of my finding it necessary to reformulate my previous statement ? - surely, that is obvious - the answer is you. I wrote something which was gramatically incorrect, you picked me up on it, and I responded (in good grace because I am in good humour today - hence the smilies and hehe )

The implication of my reformulating my previous statement ? - the acknowledgement that I had written something in a sloppy manner, and the acceptance that you made a valid point.

I often use smilies; I see nothing wrong in it - I think it denotes that I am being 'pleasant' - I also find that smilies can alter the apparent intent of a post from a more serious slant, to a friendly one. If you would rather I use no smilies when posting to you, then please tell me so, and I will refrain from doing so.

Good Lord, if even you Britts can be gramatically incorrect, what hope is there for someone like me? Smile when ever you feel like it dear friend.

 

[michel]

Good Lord, if even you Britts can be gramatically incorrect, what hope is there for someone like me? Smile when ever you feel like it dear friend.

Hehe I'm not really a Brit - this is my third language. Thank you for the 'permission to smile'

 

[FFH]

blah blah blah, "if you don't agree with me, you are a hateful bigot", blah blah blah.

Heaven forbid that we say that Allah is not God or that maybe, just maybe, there is another entity behind Islam's "so called" God that makes terrorist or Islamic fundamental extremists behead three innocent young Christian school girls on their way to school in Indonesia. Heaven forbid that we say that Allah might be an entity called the Devil or Satan or Lucifer or one of his followers in the spirit. After all the terrorists said themselves that they do what they do in the name of Allah. Do peaceful members of Islam worship this same God ????? or is it a different one ???? It is a legitimate question to a hateful or bigoted one. In the name of Allah the terrorists drove two planes into the twin towers and into the pentagon.

I guess you could say that there are Christians that do evil things in the name of God too. Maybe that is the answer to the question right there. It is the evil people that do things in the name of God that make God seem evil and not good. We can do good things in the name of God or do evil things in the name of God and blame God and say God made me do it. Instead of saying the Devil made me do it. lets all say that God made me do it. God made me murder in the name of God. Sounds like the devil to me not God. Dont use God's name to do your dirty work use the correct name for evil deeds and that is the Devil, Lucifer, Satan. Dont use God's name to do evil.

Those girls sure were a threat to world peace while walking to school and gigiling, as they were brutally attacked and in the name of Allah. The article said that the terrorists did this in order to break up a peace between Muslims and Christians that had formed in that area. Read the article at www.michaelsavage.com if you havent already seen it. The terrorists did this to break up the peace that had been established between the Muslims and the Christians in that area or was it a "false peace". The major Muslim leader in that area debounced the beheadings.

We still want answers to Islam before it is too late for the rest of us. We are only concerned about our lives and cannot sit back while Islam seems to be increasing at a faster rate than Christianity. If the peaceful Islamic people are increasing then the Islam extremists are increasing as well.

Do I want a Muslim as my neighber, not knowing if he is an Islam extremist, or terrorist, or a peaceful one. I guess the same could be said of any neighbor. As in the case of Tim McVeigh, whom the FBI discovered had ties to Saddam Hussein. Imagine one of our own tied to Saddam. Mind bogling... We do not know who is an Islam extremist, or terrorist, and who is a peaceful one. We do not know who is a peaceful Christian and who is an Christian extremist or terrorists as in the ones who bombed the abortion clinics. There could be many in the United States ready to strike or attack at any time from within. People that have jobs working for gas companies, water companies, electric companies, nuclear facilities, etc.

We all have a legitimate concern AND THAT DOES NOT MAKE US BIGOTS AND HATEFUL OF OTHER PEOPLES RELIGIONS.

Even the military is having trouble discerning who is a terrorist and who is not. They raid houses not knowing if it is a peaceful Muslim family or a family of terrorists. The terrorists are so quiet until they strike. Suicide bombers look the same as any peaceful Muslim until it is too late. I think we should be suspicious of all Muslims and all people for that matter.

Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Put your trust in no one but God. This is not hate it is being smart and aware of evils in this world.

""Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves, be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves". Mathew 10: 16

Terrorism and Islamic Fascism are both legitimate concerns. As they say, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

 

[FFH]

ooops typo

It is a legitiemate question NOT a hateful or bigoted one.

 

[FFH]

It is a legitimate question not a hateful or bigoted one.

 

[FFH]

I would rather be hated and be at peace with myself than be loved and be in torment.

Heaven forbid that I could come up with an original statement and quote myself.

Heaven forbid that we could actually think and discern for ourselves who is bad and who is good whatever religion they might be in. There are good and bad people in all religions. They are mixed in together and can hide behind a God that is good. There are people in my religion that I know are bad and evil but hide behind a good God or religion. Evil people mixed in with good. The only one that is truely good on earth is God.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."
Romans 3: 23

 

[Ardent Listener]

There are Islamic terriorist just as there are Christian terriorist.

There are Islamic saints just as there are Christian saints.

It is where the majority stand in each religion is what is of concern here.

If the majority allow the terriorist to speak and act in the name of their religion out of fear or indifference, they should not be shocked when they too are considered terriorist.

 

[michel]

There are Islamic terriorist just as there are Christian terriorist.

There are Islamic saints just as there are Christian saints.

It is where the majority stand in each religion is what is of concern here.

If the majority allow the terriorist to speak and act in the name of their religion out of fear or indifference, they should not be shocked when they too are considered terriorist.

I agree with some of what you say, with reservation.

Sure there are Christian terrorists (if you say so) , but there is freedom of press in Christian countries (I don't know of one that hasn't).

In Islamic countries, I should imagine that news is very 'selective' and that the populace is 'fed' with propaganda. That is the difference.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Islam, in principle is a religion that promotes peace.

'Promotes' is a verb. Where and how is Islam 'promoting' peace?

I wrote something which was gramatically incorrect, you picked me up on it, and I responded ...

No, Michel, there was nothing wrong with your gramar. Religion is not a book: whether or not Islam promotes peace, how Islam promotes peace, and the extent to which Islam has a responsibility to promote peace when the most persistent and pervasive barbarism is done in its name, seem to me valid questions.