'Christian'

[Katzpur]

For a long while now I've noticed this trend of what are, honestly, Christians refusing to call themselves such. It's as though there's this aversion to the label 'Christian', when most of the people refusing to use the term are clearly Christians. I've seen,

'Bible believer'
'Jesus believer'
'Follower/Disciple of Jesus'
'Messianic'
'Completed Jew' [this one is also offensive]
'Biblist'

etc.

Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians? I've not observed this in any other large faith group. Muslims call themselves Muslims, Jews call themselves Jews, Baha'is call themselves Baha'is.

I do call myself a Christian. At least, I think of myself as a Christian. But to be perfectly honest, it is because of the fundamentalist Christian far-right, I sometimes hesitate to use the term for fear that I might be associated with them. Mostly, I refer to myself as LDS or Mormon, but I do always make a point of stressing that I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

[pik48]

Christianity was considered a sect of Judaism when it began. It's just a fact.

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism so it is better then Judaism. The temple sacrifices were an endless thing, Christ's sacrifice was once for all. The priests when making sacrifices for the people was endless and they had no place to sit. Christ's sacrifice was once for all and He went and sat at the right hand of God, it was completed, no need for more. The high Priest would take off his ornate vest before going in the holy of holies to make the sacrifice for Israel. Christ took off eternity to come down for the final sacrifice. The veil was rent asunder as now Christians have Christ to intercede for them. So much more. Yes, it was considered a sect by the hypocritical Pharisees and Romans. The self righteous Pharisees and Scribes and Sanhedrin were the ones who formed all the laws they thought they could keep to be saved. Along with the thought that being a descendant of Abraham would save them also. Their 'bible', old testament, showed the fact that Christ was their long awaited Messiah. Torah. But they wanted a conquering messiah, but Jesus only came the first time to have people repent and believe. The conquering messiah would be a thing of the future. Just as when He read Isaiah 61, but only the first part, the rest had not happened yet. Abraham Isaac and Rebecca and the servant who went to find a bride for Isaac were all types of things to come. Abraham was a type of father (God) His servant was a type of Holy Spirit and Isaac was a type of Christ and Rebecca (sp) was typical of the coming Bride, the church. Abraham sent his servant to find a bride for Isaac, only in their immediate descendants, country? He took treasures to give to the one who would come back with him. (Just as the holy spirit gives heavenly gifts to repentant sinners) Rebecca agreed to come with Abrahams servant, he showered her with gifts, she wanted to stay a little while but the servant said no, we leave now. (no time for satan to come and take away) they left and as they were getting close Isaac came down into the field and saw them coming from aways off. (Christ meets his Bride, the church in the air as they come to him at the rapture.) So many more.

 

[CLee421]

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism so it is better then Judaism. The temple sacrifices were an endless thing, Christ's sacrifice was once for all. The priests when making sacrifices for the people was endless and they had no place to sit. Christ's sacrifice was once for all and He went and sat at the right hand of God, it was completed, no need for more. The high Priest would take off his ornate vest before going in the holy of holies to make the sacrifice for Israel. Christ took off eternity to come down for the final sacrifice. The veil was rent asunder as now Christians have Christ to intercede for them. So much more. Yes, it was considered a sect by the hypocritical Pharisees and Romans. The self righteous Pharisees and Scribes and Sanhedrin were the ones who formed all the laws they thought they could keep to be saved. Along with the thought that being a descendant of Abraham would save them also. Their 'bible', old testament, showed the fact that Christ was their long awaited Messiah. Torah. But they wanted a conquering messiah, but Jesus only came the first time to have people repent and believe. The conquering messiah would be a thing of the future. Just as when He read Isaiah 61, but only the first part, the rest had not happened yet. Abraham Isaac and Rebecca and the servant who went to find a bride for Isaac were all types of things to come. Abraham was a type of father (God) His servant was a type of Holy Spirit and Isaac was a type of Christ and Rebecca (sp) was typical of the coming Bride, the church. Abraham sent his servant to find a bride for Isaac, only in their immediate descendants, country? He took treasures to give to the one who would come back with him. (Just as the holy spirit gives heavenly gifts to repentant sinners) Rebecca agreed to come with Abrahams servant, he showered her with gifts, she wanted to stay a little while but the servant said no, we leave now. (no time for satan to come and take away) they left and as they were getting close Isaac came down into the field and saw them coming from aways off. (Christ meets his Bride, the church in the air as they come to him at the rapture.) So many more.

I would never say "Christianity" is better. You cannot have Christianity without Judaism. Jesus was Jewish, He kept the laws, until it was time to reveal His authority.

He uses the Old Testament often to make His points, because the Hebrew bible, the OT, is all about Him.

Again I said somewhere, He didn't come to make people Christians but to make dead people live.

 

[CLee421]

Yes, the Jewish people lost sight of Who God was and what He desired. But we all do. They just did so with tradition and laws. Thinking that pleased Him. It doesn't negate the fact they are God's people and that He worked with and for them throughout history.

 

[Rival]

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism so it is better then Judaism. The temple sacrifices were an endless thing, Christ's sacrifice was once for all. The priests when making sacrifices for the people was endless and they had no place to sit. Christ's sacrifice was once for all and He went and sat at the right hand of God, it was completed, no need for more. The high Priest would take off his ornate vest before going in the holy of holies to make the sacrifice for Israel. Christ took off eternity to come down for the final sacrifice. The veil was rent asunder as now Christians have Christ to intercede for them. So much more. Yes, it was considered a sect by the hypocritical Pharisees and Romans. The self righteous Pharisees and Scribes and Sanhedrin were the ones who formed all the laws they thought they could keep to be saved. Along with the thought that being a descendant of Abraham would save them also. Their 'bible', old testament, showed the fact that Christ was their long awaited Messiah. Torah. But they wanted a conquering messiah, but Jesus only came the first time to have people repent and believe. The conquering messiah would be a thing of the future. Just as when He read Isaiah 61, but only the first part, the rest had not happened yet. Abraham Isaac and Rebecca and the servant who went to find a bride for Isaac were all types of things to come. Abraham was a type of father (God) His servant was a type of Holy Spirit and Isaac was a type of Christ and Rebecca (sp) was typical of the coming Bride, the church. Abraham sent his servant to find a bride for Isaac, only in their immediate descendants, country? He took treasures to give to the one who would come back with him. (Just as the holy spirit gives heavenly gifts to repentant sinners) Rebecca agreed to come with Abrahams servant, he showered her with gifts, she wanted to stay a little while but the servant said no, we leave now. (no time for satan to come and take away) they left and as they were getting close Isaac came down into the field and saw them coming from aways off. (Christ meets his Bride, the church in the air as they come to him at the rapture.) So many more.

Rubbish.

 

[paarsurrey]

For a long while now I've noticed this trend of what are, honestly, Christians refusing to call themselves such. It's as though there's this aversion to the label 'Christian', when most of the people refusing to use the term are clearly Christians. I've seen,
'Bible believer'
'Jesus believer'
'Follower/Disciple of Jesus'
'Messianic'
'Completed Jew' [this one is also offensive]
'Biblist'
etc.
Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians? I've not observed this in any other large faith group. Muslims call themselves Muslims, Jews call themselves Jews, Baha'is call themselves Baha'is.

"Muslims call themselves Muslims"

from the first day they were named Muslims and their religion Islam by G-d to date and to the end of the world.
Not with any other religion or no-religion, as I understand.
Right, please?

Regards

 

[CLee421]

"Muslims call themselves Muslims"

from the first day they were named Muslims and their religion Islam by G-d to date and to the end of the world.
Not with any other religion or no-religion, as I understand.
Right, please?

Regards

I might say, no.

When God called Abraham out of his people, God Himself created the "Hebrews" (meaning wanderers) ... "Jew" comes from the city of Judah, the first established kingdom. No longer wanderers.

He told them "you will be My people and I will be your God"

 

[stvdv]

25 jun 2018 stvdv 012 70

Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians?

I can imagine. There are so many denominations. And each one almost claims "others have some flaws in the interpretation".
Then take into consideration the enormous fear of Hell, and God being the Judge. You don't want to confuse God.

Suppose you call yourself Christian, and then on "G-Day", God says "Jehova Witness ONLY", all who call themselves Christians are OUT.

Better have yourself "re-labeled" before "G-Day" I would say

 

[Mox]

Monotheists of the Abrahamic religious tradition. Jews, Muslims Christians and others. While they all claim much degree of seperation from each other, the obvious plainly visible fact is that they are all narratives that ultimately derived from the same Sumerian/Babylonian pre Judaic sources.

They are all faiths that believe in a very similar patriarchial controlling supernatural creator deity, that the most important events in the world all took place in the fertile crescent, that morality is defined by God's commands in a holy book, all of which contain similar characters and historical events, like the flood and genesis etc etc...

Y'all look the same to me boy...

 

[Thaif]

For a long while now I've noticed this trend of what are, honestly, Christians refusing to call themselves such. It's as though there's this aversion to the label 'Christian', when most of the people refusing to use the term are clearly Christians. I've seen,

'Bible believer'
'Jesus believer'
'Follower/Disciple of Jesus'
'Messianic'
'Completed Jew' [this one is also offensive]
'Biblist'

etc.

Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians? I've not observed this in any other large faith group. Muslims call themselves Muslims, Jews call themselves Jews, Baha'is call themselves Baha'is.

You have a point, I am clearly a Christian but my label says Reformed because, that is in fact my religion. There are many religions out there which are at their core Christian but saying someone is Christian is generalising.

I am not, for example, a Catholic, and would not want to be bundled in with them yet Catholics say they are Christian. In response to your thoughts, I have re-labelled my religion Reformed Christian although that might be even more confusing as being a member of the Reformed church is in itself and announcement of Christianity.

 

[exchemist]

For a long while now I've noticed this trend of what are, honestly, Christians refusing to call themselves such. It's as though there's this aversion to the label 'Christian', when most of the people refusing to use the term are clearly Christians. I've seen,

'Bible believer'
'Jesus believer'
'Follower/Disciple of Jesus'
'Messianic'
'Completed Jew' [this one is also offensive]
'Biblist'

etc.

Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians? I've not observed this in any other large faith group. Muslims call themselves Muslims, Jews call themselves Jews, Baha'is call themselves Baha'is.

This sounds to me like people who want to claim some kind of exclusivity for their own (usually tiny) denomination of (usually) homespun Christianity.

In the UK I have noticed that some evangelicals adopt a different way of pronouncing the word "Christian", saying something that sounds like "Chrisst - ee - uhn", with 3 distinct syllables, rather than the standard "Chris-chun", which the rest of us use.

I have to admit to finding this sets my teeth on edge, rather.

 

[Rival]

This sounds to me like people who want to claim some kind of exclusivity for their own (usually tiny) denomination of (usually) homespun Christianity.

In the UK I have noticed that some evangelicals adopt a different way of pronouncing the word "Christian", saying something that sounds like "Chrisst - ee - uhn", with 3 distinct syllables, rather than the standard "Chris-chun", which the rest of us use.

I have to admit to finding this sets my teeth on edge, rather.

I think it's just an accent thing. I'm from Lincolnshire-Yorkshire and I say it with three syllables.

 

[exchemist]

I think it's just an accent thing. I'm from Lincolnshire-Yorkshire and I say it with three syllables.

Not sure about that. I'm thinking of the God squad people at uni who used to call round and try to convert you. They weren't from that part of the country - far too annoying, for a start!

But it is true my uncle from Lincolnshire - and one Lincolnshire lass who my brother went out with for a while - both used to speak very slowly, compared to us Londoners, so they might have said it with 3 syllables.

 

[Rival]

Not sure about that. I'm thinking of the God squad people at uni who used to call round and try to convert you. They weren't from that part of the country - far too annoying, for a start!

But it is true my uncle from Lincolnshire - and one Lincolnshire lass who my brother went out with for a while - both used to speak very slowly, compared to us Londoners, so they might have said it with 3 syllables.

Probably just an idiomatic thing, in this case

 

[Mox]

For a long while now I've noticed this trend of what are, honestly, Christians refusing to call themselves such. It's as though there's this aversion to the label 'Christian', Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians? I've not observed this in any other large faith group.

I think many Christians are uneasy about having their belief system simply classified as just another human religion.

One of many.

The fact is a religion is not based on reason or on the logical extrapolation of the available evidence. It is a system of belief in article of faith. Many people especially westerners, take exception to the idea that their theology or belief system is fundamentally irrational, even though it is.

It is simple denial I guess, which drives people to try to dissassociate their beliefs and themselves from the faiths and their followers, of other competitor religions.

 

[Fool]

For a long while now I've noticed this trend of what are, honestly, Christians refusing to call themselves such. It's as though there's this aversion to the label 'Christian', when most of the people refusing to use the term are clearly Christians. I've seen,

'Bible believer'
'Jesus believer'
'Follower/Disciple of Jesus'
'Messianic'
'Completed Jew' [this one is also offensive]
'Biblist'

etc.

Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians? I've not observed this in any other large faith group. Muslims call themselves Muslims, Jews call themselves Jews, Baha'is call themselves Baha'is.

hinduism is very tolerant of other religions, they tend to be ecumenicalists.

would that more were like them and unlike fundamentalists who want to keep their exoteric religion pure and have different denominations themselves.

 

[paarsurrey]

I might say, no.

When God called Abraham out of his people, God Himself created the "Hebrews" (meaning wanderers) ... "Jew" comes from the city of Judah, the first established kingdom. No longer wanderers.

He told them "you will be My people and I will be your God"

Sorry, one is wrong.
Abraham, Issac, Ishmael and Jacob none of them ever mentioned that they were Jews. If yes, then please quote from them.
Regards

 

[74x12]

Othorodox Church. Christianity is not Judaism. That's the difference. Judaism doesn't have human sacrifice. The Catholic Church does. It's a big thing that distinguishes Jesus teachings and denominational interpretation of the role of jesus' death to the point of worshiping Jesus rather than his father.

The church at Rome went astray and led the world astray. Marrying themselves with political power they conquered by force. They implemented their doctrine through force. It was not undisputed by other churches.

There were 3 main interpretations of who Jesus was. Modalism/Oneness, Trinity, and Arianism.

There were Oneness believers like myself before the trinity doctrine was even developed. It's more in line with Jewish thought and less in line with Greek philosophical thinking about a "divine logos". That's obviously not what John was talking about. John was Jewish; he was not trained in Greek philosophy so far as we know. He was a fisherman before he followed Christ. He was thoroughly Jewish. John chapter 1 is about Genesis 1:3. God said "Let there be Light". That's the Word that was with God and was God. It's not a distinct "divine logos person" separate from the person of the Father.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Any reason why 'Christian' is a dirty word to, well, Christians?

I worked with a girl at the university library who called herself a "disciple of Jesus" because, to her, Christians are all a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hi!

I can see you waving and smiling like that, with a whip in the off-camera hand.