fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
That's not true. The churches that I have gone to, which are liberal, are growing noticeably. Christianity is evolving, and many liberal churches see that.Yes. The liberal churches are becoming less true to Christianity and are losing members to both apathy and paths that more hold firm to the truth.
What you believe does matter. At least for most liberal churches. I've gotten into a number of debates with church officials debating about what was accepted beliefs.I will acknowledge some amount of ignorance, but what I have gathered from liberal Christians is that it doesn't really matter: what you believe, who you commune with, and whether you go to church or not. These three teachings would be detrimental to church attendance and membership.
Who you commune with may not be as important. But I don't see what that is important.
As for going to church, most liberal churches do suggest and try to push it.
If we look at church attendance, we will see something quite different. There is a rise in small rural churches closing as they no longer have the numbers to support them.There is no extrapolation of "people in general are going to church less" to "people are going to x church less". The particular church statistics show that there is a disproportionate loss among liberal membership as compared to conservative.
Though some conservative churches are losing members, others are growing, especially Mormons, SDA, and JW.
Church attendance is more important here than whether church membership is growing. The two are quite different, and membership generally is much more than attendance. Especially when one can be a member of a conservative church, but attend a liberal church, or hold liberal ideas.
The article I provided did not specify from what churches though that people hold those beliefs. They gave examples of both liberal and conservative members.
No, the poll said that it declined from 1990-2008. So in total, there was a decline. And if we look at participation in the sacraments, they are all down.It didn't from 2008-2009, it grew .57%
Secondly, your link to the ARIS polls says that Catholicism has shrunken in proportion to the total American population from 1990 - 2008(26.2% to 25.1%), but has grown in proportion from 2001 to 2008(24.5% - 25.1%)
And I think looking at the participation in the sacraments is probably a bigger indicator of Catholic membership. Also, most polls also show that Catholics are becoming more liberal, at least in the United States. A rising number find contraceptives to be okay, abortion to be okay in certain circumstances. We see a number arguing for women priesthood, and that number is increasing.
But it does mean that we have to be careful about those numbers.Indeed, some churches didn't provide membership information... that doesn't mean we can't talk about the churches that did respond.
That has to be taken in context of everything else that I said. My main point, concerning that, was regarding the idea that "my way is the only way." That suggests that only those following the one true way are truly loved by God, as he is going to send all else to hell.You said, and I quote: "What is needed is for Christians to stop being so arrogant, so self-centered, that they believe only they are good enough to be worthy of all of God's love."
No, we don't need to stop being so arrogant that we believe we are good enough to be worthy of God's love, because we aren't.
It may not have been an official ordination, but it was the same for them.No, they weren't. They went through a ceremony playing at ordination, there is a difference.
That doesn't make them less Catholic though. Sure, they are not recognized by the official leadership, but they still recognize themselves as Catholic. Maybe a splinter cell, but they still identify as such.Also, they won't "probably" be excommunicated. They already are. Pretending to ordain a woman incurs an automatic excommunication.
And really, I don't see why such a fight against changing. The Catholic Church, in just the last century, has undergone some major changes. And even recently, they have made some significant steps forward (as well as backwards). Such as allowing condoms to stop the spread of HIV.