christianity was wrong before

[ellenjanuary]

That's why hell is crap. I could be an actual Christian, but so many insist that god is good and hell is necessary. God is so far beyond good that good is an insult, and hell is only necessary for spreading fear, not love.

 

[Orias]

Where are you getting this from? Are you saying that because some people want to say they are christians it gives them license to make the rules up as they go along? Thats like saying that because people have the right to their own sexual preference paedophiles are given the right to abuse children. Your clinching at straws. The bible says NOTHING to encourage violent inquisitions in any shape or form and if you knew anything you would know that Jesus taught against violence full stop.

Perhaps you misunderstood what I said, I will restate.

To the contrary, the bibles ambiguous approach to self sophisticated abhorances definitly allows room for vitalized programming.

There is also this thing called scapegoating, but I won't get into that.

The bible is intentional in its vague meanings, making it seem like man must hate the "less than divine" part of him, which allows room for progamming (brainwashing).

Now, to counter what you said about violent inquisitions, did you miss out in history class?

The Church, Christians in general, were known best for presecuting themselves.

Slaves and serfs were executed for being literate, because only those who were within the Church were allowed to read and write.

Not only that, the Church executed thousands of their own Christians for acts of "treason" that most of the time, went unproven.

As if it is treason to not pay your taxes because the lord of the manor not only confiscates your crops as payment, but also your life as a tool.

It's a mind game.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

If you feel that way that is good but I see the truth in the old Books more than the facts. Yes many can and should be taken literally but the message is more important than any facts.

The flood for example: Shows Gods disdain for wickedness, the plagues of Egypt show Gods resolve.

Fact or not; it is irrelevant, the message is what is important. I am not saying I believe one way or the other but I only need to see the truths; if there is a provable factual base then even better.

The plagues of Egypt showed God's wickedness, as far as I'm concerned. In the Bible it says that the Pharaoh was ready to give up and let the Hebrews go, on multiple occasions, but, God "hardened his heart" and made him no longer want to give up, thus giving God the grounds to send another plague.

 

[tomarnold]

You are equivocating.

The atheist within speaks! But what has happened is this. I don't even accept an historical Jesus; but being born again in spirit to become, in essence, the living Christ is a beautiful thing. You may think one such as I expresses intolerable arrogance using such words, but in the real world; I don't have to say a dang thing. Everybody assumes I'm Christian, and in a good way. I would just think that those "who are called to minister" would be a little more enlightened, a little more loving; but I find the opposite to be the case.

I am suprised to hear that you don't acknowledge the historical reality of Jesus Christ in the physical. There is much historical evidence of this.

 

[waitasec]

If you feel that way that is good but I see the truth in the old Books more than the facts. Yes many can and should be taken literally but the message is more important than any facts.

The flood for example: Shows Gods disdain for wickedness, the plagues of Egypt show Gods resolve.

Fact or not; it is irrelevant, the message is what is important. I am not saying I believe one way or the other but I only need to see the truths; if there is a provable factual base then even better.

i'm sorry, i have to say something.
the flood happened why? because of mans wickedness. and why did god say he will never destroy humanity again? because of mans wickedness...
scratches head
message is that mankind is evil and nothing good can come from within

genesis 8:21
The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma
“Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though[a] every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

i understand that there maybe good teachings in the bible, however the bible was ultimately written by humans. in other words these teachings came from humans.

"we're only human born to make mistakes" :candle:

 

[Archer]

well lets see here, you wanted proof that the NT condones tyrannical actions.



so i did...




sure it is.
yes it was meant to be.

furthermore, in luke jesus says in a parable that a servant will receive many blows for disobeying his master...if that is not condoning slavery and the treatment of slaves is to be subjected to torture, then jesus was not condemning the act either...

So you say that condones tyrannical actions by followers? You consider thos tyrannical beliefs but where are you linking it with tyrannical actions of self proclaimed Christians?

 

[Archer]

The plagues of Egypt showed God's wickedness, as far as I'm concerned. In the Bible it says that the Pharaoh was ready to give up and let the Hebrews go, on multiple occasions, but, God "hardened his heart" and made him no longer want to give up, thus giving God the grounds to send another plague.

I need to reread that and check some translations. I still say it shows resolve, it very well could have been the resolve to Punish Pharaoh.

 

[tomarnold]

Now, to counter what you said about violent inquisitions, did you miss out in history class?

The Church, Christians in general, were known best for presecuting themselves.

First of all your talking about Catholic crusades and the like, and in Italy private citizens owning the Bible was illegal until 1870. They only knew what they were told in many cases. How could they have known any different?

When you study the New Covenant Scriptures themselves you find a different picture painted then this one.

 

[Orias]

First of all your talking about Catholic crusades and the like, and in Italy private citizens owning the Bible was illegal until 1870. They only knew what they were told in many cases. How could they have known any different?

When you study the New Covenant Scriptures themselves you find a different picture painted then this one.

Partakers were Christian

 

[ellenjanuary]

I am suprised to hear that you don't acknowledge the historical reality of Jesus Christ in the physical. There is much historical evidence of this.

There is at that. But I'm stubborn. Limiting the vision of Jesus to the words and being of a single man seems to me to be the source of narrow-minded bigotry. Meeting Christians on the street, I'm like - you are the Jesus, and I am the Jesus, and she is the Jesus... And as it is written, when two or more are gathered, there I am. This form of witnessing, I have found, represents the best of the gospel; that the most joyous of our individual expression comes closer to the abundant love of god than the usual alternative. Such things as people saying "I am a True Christian." I mean, what is that?

 

[ellenjanuary]

I need to reread that and check some translations. I still say it shows resolve, it very well could have been the resolve to Punish Pharaoh.

And punish his prophet as well. Careful with that book, Eugene...

 

[Archer]

And punish his prophet as well. Careful with that book, Eugene...

Moses was punished and one of those punishments was never being able to enter the promised land.

 

[ellenjanuary]

Moses was punished and one of those punishments was never being able to enter the promised land.

And he was also aware that god intended to harden Pharaoh's heart.

 

[Archer]

Hey God knew what was going to happen if he did not. We however do not.

 

[Watchmen]

so the christians were wrong about Galileo and carried out the inquisition,etc etc...what makes you think christianity is correct in its teachings??

Just because some is wrong about "x" does not preclude them from being right about "y."

 

[Orias]

Just because some is wrong about "x" does not preclude them from being right about "y."

Lol, so half the equation is right?

 

[ellenjanuary]

Where in that text in Matthew 24 did it say anything about invading anything with physical force? The history of the USA is not a chapter and verse of the Bible, and therefore would open an entirely different debate.

Over the vast many centuries many Bible enemies, from within and without, have tried to get rid of the Bible without success. No one can stop its world wide distribution. Just like no one can stop Matthew 24v14 that the good news of God's kingdom [government] would be proclaimed world wide or on a global scale. Rapid Bible translation has even helped speed up that process.
All that is quite real.

See what I'm talking about? There's URAVIP2ME in the Santa thread, invading.

 

[Archer]

See what I'm talking about? There's URAVIP2ME in the Santa thread, invading.

Funny thing is according to the Christian belief that time when Christ has reached every point on earth is when the end will come. I wonder how many Christians are right with their god? I am right with my God. Glad I don't follow Je$us.

 

[waitasec]

So you say that condones tyrannical actions by followers? You consider thos tyrannical beliefs but where are you linking it with tyrannical actions of self proclaimed Christians?

the bible...

 

[Archer]

the bible...

As I said the first time show me where the NT tells someone to kill someone who believes differently. If it were in there it would have happened everywhere. Everyone would be Christian or they would be dead.