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Christians can't be Anti-Semitic

nazz

nazz

Doubting Thomas
Hay85 said:
Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".

so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.
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Well with due respect to your mother 2000 years of church history would indicate otherwise.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Flankerl said:
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And that second link is even worse than the first one. Congratulation you found German Conspiracy Theories which are based within Esoteric thought.
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yeah...when someone finds out uncomfortable truths, people immediately label them as conspiracy theories. Old trick.
Sounds like the Seigniorage Banking of the ECB.
 
Levite

Levite

Higher and Higher
Hay85 said:
Is that what Jews normally think about us Christians?
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Do Jews often resent Christian appropriation of Judaism, Christian replacement theology, Christian supercessionism, Christian usurpation of the names of Jew and Israel, and the millennia-long history of Christian persecution of Jews? Why, yes, surprisingly, we take all that a bit personally.

Individuals Jews may come to know and love individual Christians, but individual Christians are not the same as Christianity as a historical whole.

Honestly...the purpose of this thread was to create sharing of knowledge and to try to debunk the myth of the anti-Semitic Christian.
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Then the thread was doomed failure from the start, because it's not a myth.

By the way...we are the product of history and I didn't do anything wrong. It's not my fault if Christianity took the heredity of Judaism and Paganism.
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By not acknowledging what Christianity has done to the Jewish People and to Judaism, and by defending at least some of those things instead, you share in their fault.

Jesus is considered to be one the 5 prophets of Islam. A chapter from the Qur'an is called Maryam. We never accuse Muslims of stealing our identity.
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I could say that Muslims don't call themselves Christians-- or Jews for that matter. But that's beside the point, which is that what you bring up has nothing to do with Jews or Judaism. If you choose to be happy with Islam appropriating Christian tradition, that is your choice and your business. It has no relevance to the entirely just complaints that Jews have with Christians appropriating Jewish identity and religious elements.
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Hay85 said:
yeah...when someone finds out uncomfortable truths, people immediately label them as conspiracy theories. Old trick.
Sounds like the Seigniorage Banking of the ECB.
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Of course.

Ever considered that Runes and other stuff were just ancient Germanic symbols which were used by the NSDAP for propaganda value? Let me guess, no.

So where were the shrines or temples dedicated to Germanic Gods between 1933-1945?
Please don't mention the Wewelsburg.
 
Nada

Nada

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Hay85 said:
Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".

so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.
thank you
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I read your post and I want to share something with your Mom.Lol... There is a huge difference between Literal Jews and Christians.Literal Jews still keep the old laws that Jesus did away with like the Kosher laws and circumcision.Christians do not do this.Literal Jews do not consider themselves christians and christians do not consider themselves literal Jews.Christians consider themselves spiritual Jews.These are the ones who consider themselves having circumcision of the heart.The law of God written on their hearts.This is based on the new covenant Jesus established with all of mankind.Both the Jew and the Gentile.
 
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Thana

Thana

Lady
Hay85 said:
Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".

so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.
thank you
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Unfortunately your mother is wrong, Christians are not Jews and Christians can be anti-semitic.
It's silly though, Since Jews play an integral part in our history and our future. To curse them, God's chosen people, Is to curse God and even the bible says that.

But I digress,
I don't like the notion of 'true' Christian. There is no such thing. You're either a Christian or you're not, But that isn't based on your deeds or your beliefs but simply a label that applies if you apply it.
For example - I'm a woman, Does what other women do define me? No. Then what other Christians do doesn't define Christianity, and the people who think so are either ignorant or biased.

Levite said:
Second of all, individual Christians may or may not love Jews. Christianity, as a whole, has not shown a love of Judaism in any significant way over the course of its existence. It has, on the contrary, been rife with anti-Semitism, from the Christian scriptures onward.
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You're kidding right? Most of the support for Israel and a hell of a lot of financial aid for Israel comes from Christians. I seriously doubt Israel would be where it is today without the support of Christians.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Levite said:
Do Jews often resent Christian appropriation of Judaism, Christian replacement theology, Christian supercessionism, Christian usurpation of the names of Jew and Israel, and the millennia-long history of Christian persecution of Jews? Why, yes, surprisingly, we take all that a bit personally.
Individuals Jews may come to know and love individual Christians, but individual Christians are not the same as Christianity as a historical whole.
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You've opened my eyes. I thought you Jews loved us too

Levite said:
By not acknowledging what Christianity has done to the Jewish People and to Judaism, and by defending at least some of those things instead, you share in their fault.
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I did acknowledge it. I already said that I believe in divine justice and those who committed crimes against humanity won't ever see God in the afterlife.
I defend the "appropriation" of the Jewish Tanakh. Books are to be widespread.

Levite said:
I could say that Muslims don't call themselves Christians-- or Jews for that matter. But that's beside the point, which is that what you bring up has nothing to do with Jews or Judaism. If you choose to be happy with Islam appropriating Christian tradition, that is your choice and your business. It has no relevance to the entirely just complaints that Jews have with Christians appropriating Jewish identity and religious elements.
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well...talking about the Muslims...after the 9 11, after that the ISIS destroyed Christian churches in Syria and Iraq, I still love Muslims
 
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ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
The fact is that Christians were never supposed to be anti-semitic. Jesus was a Jew, His Apostles were all Jews, the 500 disciples mentioned were Jews. Paul was a Jew and a Pharisee (and a Roman citizen).
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Bible Student said:
I read your post and I want to share something with your Mom.Lol... There is a huge difference between Literal Jews and Christians.Literal Jews still keep the old laws that Jesus did away with like the Kosher laws and circumcision.Christians do not do this.Literal Jews do not consider themselves christians and christians do not consider themselves literal Jews.Christians consider themselves spiritual Jews.These are the ones who consider themselves having circumcision of the heart.The law of God written on their hearts.This is based on the new covenant Jesus established with all of mankind.Bothe the Jew and the Gentile.
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Finally...some Christian came to help me in this debate.
You used the correct terminology. thanks
 
Sariel

Sariel

Heretic
Unfortunately that' not true. Look at most the Church fathers and you'll plenty of anti-Semitic sentiments. Justin Martyr being one of the worst offenders. He had the gall to say that the Jewish customs and feasts were a curse from God to separate them from Christians. Just look at the eventual stripping away of anything Jewish from the faith over the years. Christians were actually Sabbatarian for a long time and then people like Martyr and Ignatius began condemning it as a cursed act.Then you also have the exile from Spain and the fact that Martin Luther's writings heavily inspired the methodology for how the the Nazis persecuted Jews. All of this stemming from the doctrine of supercessionism. The idea being that Christians have supplanted the Jewish people as Israel and that they are following an outdated covenant was bound to bring a hateful sense superiority.

Regarding the Nazis, they were a syncretic grab-bag of whatever supported their ideology. They took ideas from Christian antisemitisms, Islamic antisemtism, atheistic eugenics, New Age Neopaganism, Tibetan Mysticism, and even sci-fi novels. Really, to pin any one of these as the single monolithic driving force would only amount conjecture and polemics
 
nazz

nazz

Doubting Thomas
Hay85 said:
well...I am not always able to put a concept into words....because I don't read the Bible. But he's a true "Bible student" and he knows it perfectly...so he uses the correct sentences.
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Well I don't agree with your assessment of "Bible Student" but I'm asking how that impacts your original post. Christian antisemitism has been directed toward Jews. This is a fact. Calling them "literal Jews" doesn't change that.
 
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