Christians can't be Anti-Semitic

[nazz]

Thing is, a lot of the Christians who support Israel also want to see all Jews become Christians. This has been described as "finishing Hitler's job" by some Jews.

 

[ChristineES]

Thing is, a lot of the Christians who support Israel also want to see all Jews become Christians. This has been described as "finishing Hitler's job" by some Jews.

There are some that do. I don't think I do. I still feel as though the Jews are God's Chosen People and that has never changed.

 

[Nada]

Israel is not and has never been my enemy and never will be.

You are not the U.S. government now are you?

 

[ChristineES]

You are not the U.S. government now are you?

I hope not! I believe that government (as a whole, not the individuals) is pretty evil.

 

[Nada]

I hope not! I believe that government (as a whole, not the individuals) is pretty evil.

Good,there you go......

 

[Nada]

I hope not! I believe that government (as a whole, not the individuals) is pretty evil.

And that is exactly what I meant when I sent you that private message about so called christians involved in the military,wars and killing.You answered my question.Thanks.

 

[gsa]

Talking about the present, that minority are absolutely free to consider themselves "Christian", even if they aren't actually, given that a Christian by definition is supposed to love any nation of the world. And Jews, especially.

It's like you said that considering yourself a Christian, makes you Christian.
If I consider myself Jewish, does it make me Jewish?

Christianity is largely a confessional identity. If you believe the creeds, you're basically a Christian. If you do not believe them, you are not. Obviously it gets complicated because of the apostolic question, the Orthodox and Catholic divisions, Protestantism and its derivatives, etc. And obviously, some denominations or individuals within them are deemed apostates by others. But most would agree that belief has much to do with the status.

Judaism is different. I am not a Jew; I've recently started attending a synagogue and exploring Judaism, but I would not call myself Jewish because I am not a convert. Even if I subscribed to the beliefs and practices of the Orthodox (which I do not and will not), that would not change my status. Now I suppose anyone can call themselves Jewish, but the application of the label is not going to change your status, at least not according to the vast majority of Jews. Moreover it is a complicated question internally, both in the US and Israel (and elsewhere) and the subject of significant internal debate.

I would also add that considering oneself Jewish when one is a Christian is extraordinarily problematic, and as I understand it that would absolutely be a bar to conversion in most instances (Levite can correct me if I am wrong).

 

[metis]

Just a reminder that "Jew" and "Jewish" refers to a nationality, and that "anti-Semitism" can take different forms. Also, any criticism of us, our religion, or Israel is not automatically "anti-Semitism".

 

[Flankerl]

So it doesn't count because it's recent? Rightio...

Ever since Israel totally didn't get the nuke with the help of France it doesn't really matter.

So what did the Christians do that helped Israel so much?

I thought the USA and Israel were allies.

Yeah but the USA ain't Jesusland.
Oh and before the French withdrew their support the US was not an Israeli ally.

 

[Thana]

So what did the Christians do that helped Israel so much?

I've already told you.

 

[gsa]

You're kidding right? Most of the support for Israel and a hell of a lot of financial aid for Israel comes from Christians. I seriously doubt Israel would be where it is today without the support of Christians.

This is actually a relatively recent development, and not one that is consistent across all Christian branches. Evangelical support is also based on a form of dispensationalist theology that is largely rejected by a number of denominations, including the Reformed Church, United Methodist Church, etc. Also, plenty of Jews would probably object to the form of support for Israel; it isn't exactly clear that supporting West Bank settlers is in Israel's national interests. I would argue that there is a significant difference between supporting Israel and enabling its right wing, and that the latter threatens the former.

 

[Levite]

You're kidding right? Most of the support for Israel and a hell of a lot of financial aid for Israel comes from Christians. I seriously doubt Israel would be where it is today without the support of Christians.

The State of Israel is not the same thing as either Judaism or the Jewish People. It is a Jewish State, yes, but the Jewish People and Judaism are more than one state, no matter how significant it may be to us.

Judaism is a phenomenon of millennia. Christian oppression of Judaism is a phenomenon of millennia. The State of Israel is not even a phenomenon of a hundred years, and it was built in the wake of the worst anti-Jewish genocide in history, in which Christian images, ideas, and teachings were among the major tools of generating anti-Semitic fervor. Christian support for Israel doesn't begin to correct and ameliorate the damage of the previous 1900 years.

And in the case of some-- if not many-- prominent Christian supporters of Israel, their money may go to the State of Israel, but their theology still promotes Christian supercession of Judaism, and the assumption of Jewish identity by Christians.

 

[Ingledsva]

well...false Christians can be Anti-Semitic and History proves it.
But you can't tell that the authentic Christian, the one who imitates Jesus Christ is anti-Semitic. Saints are sometimes martyrs, so victims and not perpetrators.

Jesus is our model. and Jesus, the first Christian, was a Jew. so he couldn't be against Himself.


Let's not forget that Hitler and most Nazis worshiped Germanic gods. and they killed lots of Christian priests

I HATE-HATE-HATE- that! They are not false Christians. They believed whatever Christians believed in that place and time.

I might add that some of the awful things that they did emulate thing done in the Bible.

I irritates me no end - when Christians don't like the awful things other Christians did in the past, - and so call them "Not real Christians - False Christians, etc.

Most Christians doing bad things in the past - qualified what they did - with the Bible.

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[Ingledsva]

The State of Israel is not the same thing as either Judaism or the Jewish People. It is a Jewish State, yes, but the Jewish People and Judaism are more than one state, no matter how significant it may be to us.

Judaism is a phenomenon of millennia. Christian oppression of Judaism is a phenomenon of millennia. The State of Israel is not even a phenomenon of a hundred years, and it was built in the wake of the worst anti-Jewish genocide in history, in which Christian images, ideas, and teachings were among the major tools of generating anti-Semitic fervor. Christian support for Israel doesn't begin to correct and ameliorate the damage of the previous 1900 years.

And in the case of some-- if not many-- prominent Christian supporters of Israel, their money may go to the State of Israel, but their theology still promotes Christian supercession of Judaism, and the assumption of Jewish identity by Christians.

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Yep! I can't understand how they don't get this!

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[Flankerl]

I've already told you.

The financial aid? So how much might that be? Where does the financial aid go?

 

[Thana]

The financial aid? So how much might that be? Where does the financial aid go?

It goes to Israel. And I don't know how much, I don't really care either. I just felt the need to correct your false assumption that Christians have done nothing significant for the Jews.
If you really want to know, Why don't you look it up yourself

 

[nazz]

Christianity is largely a confessional identity. If you believe the creeds, you're basically a Christian. If you do not believe them, you are not.

Off topic but I disagree. Those creeds were formulated to some degree to exclude Gnostic Christians such as myself.

 

[Bunyip]

Hay

I suggest that you look up the word 'pogrom'. A pogrom is an organised massacre of a religious group, there have been a great many in Europe where Christians have slaughtered the Jews en masse. The holocaust was just the most famous pogrom, not by any means the only.

 

[Bunyip]

well...false Christians can be Anti-Semitic and History proves it.
But you can't tell that the authentic Christian, the one who imitates Jesus Christ is anti-Semitic. Saints are sometimes martyrs, so victims and not perpetrators.

Jesus is our model. and Jesus, the first Christian, was a Jew. so he couldn't be against Himself.


Let's not forget that Hitler and most Nazis worshiped Germanic gods. and they killed lots of Christian priests

The NAZI party emerged from the Christian Social Movement under a man called Karl Lueger. The rhetoric of the CSM under Lueger was painfully anti-semitic and Hitler was deeply impressed by it.

 

[roger1440]

Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".

so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.
thank you

How often does your mother go to a synagogue?