Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
Even if he's a crybaby god he stil has those supernatural powers and as far as I can tell he likes to mess around with them.
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Christians: Kill family who mentions other beliefs to you?
- Thread starter Meow Mix
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Even if he's a crybaby god he stil has those supernatural powers and as far as I can tell he likes to mess around with them.
McBell
Unbound
Does he?
I don't know...
I mean, all I got is the claims of people who believe he exists and have made everything they cannot explain the result of gods interaction.
As for god, he seems to be going to great lengths to make it appear exactly as if he did not even exist.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Should we not reject him. Might does not mike right.
Those aren't orthodox religion.
I'm sure the pagan religions have even worse examples.
Let's stick with the legitimate stuff. . .the orthodox.
Think this through. . .
If he is God, then he has all power.
What do you think you will gain by "rejecting" him?
I would gain more by "rejecting" gravity as I see the huge oak tree coming down on my car.
"Rejecting" God is so ridiculous.
Exactly what makes a religion "legitimate" or "orthodox"?
Real estate is the measure of a faith's legitimacy.
Grand buildings & lots of'm lift one from mere cult status up to a full blown government approved religion.
Some backward folk would say hat size, but they're wrong.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
No true Scotsman... So, following Biblical commands makes them not legitimate examples?
What Christian flavors qualify for you?
wa:do
This is why I think it's also "ridiculous" to base morality on religion because it seems to drive people to make morally strange (to me) comments; such as that it's "ridiculous" to reject a god even if it's evil because otherwise you won't "gain" anything.
That seems to me to be the most primitive "tit for tat" sort of moral understanding possible -- and please understand that isn't meant to be a jab at you personally, smoky; but it is something of a moral "stage" I perceive a lot of people to be in: "I better do this so I can gain this and avoid that."
Isn't the most morally righteous person the one who does risk eternal damnation for standing up for what seems the most right?
What if God decided to test humanity by asking for humanity to boil infants alive, while really God found this to be a very revolting prospect? Quite a few people it seems would be for boiling the infants. After all, what do they have to "gain" by rejecting God's request in their minds?
McBell
Unbound
So what.Being mighty does not make you right.
Otherwise you would have to say that Hitler was right.
self respect.
To bow down simply because someone/something is more powerful is all evil needs to succeed.
You are going to have to explain this one to me.
As it stands written here, it makes absolutely no sense.
Really?
How many gods do you reject?
Or do you perhaps accept them all?
waitasec
Veteran Member
it seems the basis for your belief is fear...
Maybe so, but would you do evil to appease such a god? If such a god asked you to boil an infant alive would you do it?
Is it better to worship an evil god to attempt to get personal gain or is it better to pay attention to our moral feelings and not committ what we feel is evil, such as boiling infants alive?
I get that impression from some people as well. I'm having a hard time understanding this concept of worshipping a hypothetically evil god just because it's powerful. It also raises serious questions about how fruitful it is to base morality on religion if it can lead to the unquestioning acceptance of really malevolent things like killing family members.
waitasec
Veteran Member
my understanding is, for followers to follow they need to be broken down and meant to feel as if the only thing in life that gives meaning and purpose is for god to live through them vicariously.
'sorry, no matter how hard you try to please me, you can't unless you become like me and if you choose to be yourself then i will punish you for your rebellion because after all i can do whatever i want with you, i am god'
And the basis for believing I must not smoke is my fear of cancer.
Reality also encompasses what is to be feared.
To disregard the truly fearful is foolishness, in the real sense of the word.
If I were commanded by my superior in the armed forces to kill the three children running toward me loaded with suicide bombs ticking away, I would do so.
Being children doesn't make them non-enemies nor safe for me regarding my life.
Nor did being children make them non-enemies nor safe for the Isralites regarding the worship of demons, because those children would grow up to worhip demons and be a most dreadful and harmful influence on the Israelites.
You think in very general terms. Not all situations are of a general nature.
That "understanding" sure limps. . .to the point of crippling.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
cancer is real though...cancer is not unknown
there is empirical evidence of such a dreaded disease
fear of the unknown is irrational, imo
it is not reality, it is an assumption
waitasec
Veteran Member
how so?