Christians: Kill family who mentions other beliefs to you?

[smokydot]

cancer is real though...cancer is not unknown
there is empirical evidence of such a dreaded disease
fear of the unknown is irrational, imo
it is not reality, it is an assumption

The subject is fear, not assumption. .about belief being based in fear, not in assumption.

My belief I should not smoke is based in fear of cancer.
Belief based in fear is not necessarily invalid.

 

[waitasec]

The subject is fear, not assumption. .about belief being based in fear, not in assumption.

My belief I should not smoke is based in fear of cancer.
Belief based in fear is not necessarily invalid.

are you saying the basis for your belief is fear?

 

[smokydot]

how so?

Rather sophomoric, don't you think?

 

[waitasec]

Rather sophomoric, don't you think?

explain... enlighten me

 

[smokydot]

are you saying the basis for your belief is fear?

No, I am not, I am saying that discrediting belief based in fear is uninformed.

 

[waitasec]

No, I am not, I am saying that discrediting belief based in fear is uninformed.

choices made in the presence of freedom are not the same choices made in the presence fear.
unless freedom is something to fear...

 

[smokydot]

explain... enlighten me

Well, for starters you need a BS detector. . .something that tells you when a rationale is weak at best, but more likely just plain untrue.
That comes from understanding how things work in reality. . .which probably comes from practical experience. . .seasoned with a generous dose of common sense. . .
or maybe just from a well-rounded education. . or maybe nothing more than just the ability not to be taken in by novelty.

 

[waitasec]

Well, for starters you need a BS detector. . .something that tells you when a rationale is weak at best, but more likely just plain untrue.
That comes from understanding how things work in reality. . .which probably comes from practical experience. . .seasoned with a generous dose of common sense. . .
or maybe just from a well-rounded education. . or maybe nothing more than just the ability not to be taken in by novelty.

how is that a retort to...?

my understanding is, for followers to follow they need to be broken down and meant to feel as if the only thing in life that gives meaning and purpose is for god to live through them vicariously.
'sorry, no matter how hard you try to please me, you can't unless you become like me and if you choose to be yourself then i will punish you for your rebellion because after all i can do whatever i want with you, i am god'

explain how and why this is a wrong

 

[smokydot]

how is that a retort to...?
explain how and why this is a wrong

The short answer: it's not Biblical.

 

[waitasec]

The short answer: it's not Biblical.

adam and eve is not biblical?

 

[waitasec]

The short answer: it's not Biblical.

Luke 9:23 (New International Version, ©2010)

23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.

 

[waitasec]

The short answer: it's not Biblical.

mark 7:17
“Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

it's not biblical? really?
hmmmm.

 

[waitasec]

The short answer: it's not Biblical.

Philippians 1:10 so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God.

ok...i think i proved its biblical...

 

[Autodidact]

If God commands it, it is not murder

Oh this is so good. May I use it as my sig for a while? Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

Why do you keep throwing OT verses at us? You know Christians don't follow those rules, because at least some of us believe that Jesus fulfilled the Law. That some of them still quote some of them for their own beliefs isn't right, either.

I have come to turn “‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
Matthew 10

 

[Autodidact]

No, it is an unemotional one. Murder is unlawful killing. If the highest law commands it, it cannot be murder.

Do you consider the death penalty murder?


It is not a question of morality, but of definition. The highest law supercedes all other law, and if the highest law sanctions or commands a death, it is not murder(unlawful killing).


I know that as well


I've never said that I believe God will command killing... I believe quite the opposite. In truth, He has already specifically commanded me to abstain from violence.

But God has commanded killing. He commanded repeatedly, at great length and detail, and was sure to include the toddlers specifically.

btw, where does God command you to abstain from violence?

So saying HYPOTHETICALLY that God commanded you to come to my house and shoot me through the head. Would that be murder, in your book?

 

[Autodidact]

This doesn't really apply to Christians. It's Mosaic Law from the Old Testament. Churches today do not emphasize the importance of killing families who talk about other religions.

Well that's a relief.

We've never had any sermon series about this at my church, no meetings or bulletins about it.

But does your religion derive from your Church, or from God?

Meow Mix, you're horribly insulting to Christians and people of faith in general. It's this passive aggressive thing you do, pretending to be dumber than you are. I really don't care for it.

I agree. Quoting people's own scripture at them like that. It's insulting and unfair!

 

[Autodidact]

I'm not worried at all.

And that's scary.

 

[atanu]

I have come to turn “‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
Matthew 10

That I think is description of the nature of our Time that the speaker is. In Hinduism we call Him kAla (Time that creates and destroys) and worship it as the highest manifestation of the unseen Truth, which is the Father of time.

This is only my perspective as an outsider, but arises from firm conviction that the truth is one yet called by different names.

 

[smokydot]

Luke 9:23 (New International Version, ©2010)

23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.

I think I may be misunderstanding what you mean by "broken down. . .so God can live vicariously through them"

I think you may be trying to state NT doctrine from the outside. . .from the reference points of another system, which accounts for the non-Biblical way you state it.

Is this the case?