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Christians/LDS: Jesus of the Bible vs. Jesus of the BoM

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Other than supposed recorded events about Jesus in the BOM of mormon what does it tell you about Jesus? From what I have read in the BOM it is presented as a historical narrative as are the gospels but is there any exposition of His Person such as in John's and Pauls letters i.e teaching of doctrine or would you rely on D&C and the bible for that?
I'm sure there is, but I would probably rely more on the Bible and the D&C for that information than I would on the Book of Mormon. I've never really looked for it before, though, and it would be interesting to me to try it sometime.
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
Paul, LittleNipper and Christian Pilgram claimed the BoM Jesus is different than the Bible Jesus and asked me to start a thread to discuss it. So far, the only thing I've seen actually brought up has to do with his birthplace.

Does anyone have anything else? If not, it seems the Bible and BoM Jesus aren't so different after all.


If I I recall, the comment was made that the Jesus of the Bible and the Gospel are different than the Jesus in the Book of Mormon and the Mormon Gospel. As we know the Mormon Gospel is different than the Gospel found in the Scriptures.

Well, we can discuss the gospel together with the person and work of Jesus Christ as the central issue. We can also discuss the Triune God. But to make this work, let's stick to only the Bible as a source of revelation. We can first determine official Mormon doctrine and see if you can support that doctrine from the Bible. Does that sound like a plan to you?
Post 2016

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...y-dont-christians-accept-book-mormon-202.html
 
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Watchmen

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If I I recall, the comment was made that the Jesus of the Bible and the Gospel are different than the Jesus in the Book of Mormon and the Mormon Gospel. As we know the Mormon Gospel is different than the Gospel found in the Scriptures.

Nope. LittleNipper began the conversation and you showed up at half-time. I've ALWAYS framed it as BoM Jesus vs. Bible Jesus because that's what LittleNipper said in the other thread. I guess the differences can't be demonstrated (like I knew they wouldn't be) and now you need to backtrack to broaden the scope to the "Mormon Gospel." Well, friend-o, go start your own thread. Here, we're discussing the lack of differences between the BoM Jesus and the Bible Jesus.
 
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Christian Pilgrim

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Nope. LittleNipper began the conversation and you showed up at half-time. I've ALWAYS framed it as BoM Jesus vs. Bible Jesus because that's what LittleNipper said in the other thread. I guess the differences can't be demonstrated (like I knew they wouldn't be) and now you need to backtrack to broaden the scope of the "Mormon Gospel." Well, friend-o, go start your own thread. Here, we're discussing the lack of differences between the BoM Jesus and the Bible Jesus.


LOL... you cannot seperate Jesus Christ from the gospel of God about His Son. To discuss the differences of the Mormon Jesus and the Biblical Jesus is to discuss the person and work of Jesus Christ. If remove the work of Jesus Christ in our discussion, then you have an empty Jesus who can conform to any Jesus that is believed on a religious pluralism site. To nullify the work of Christ means that believing in Muslum Jesus, Hindu Jesus, New Age Jesus, Mormon Jesus really makes not difference at all.

by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ; - rom 15:19

For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you - rom 1:9

If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. - 1 Corinthians 9:12

Triumph in Christ
When I came to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ, even though a door was opened for me in the Lord, - 2 Cor 2:12

The gospel is all about the Jesus Christ. Or maybe the Biblical gospel is all about Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. - 1 Cor 2:22
 
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Watchmen

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LOL... you cannot seperate Jesus Christ from the gospel of God about His Son.

by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ; - rom 15:19

For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you - rom 1:9

If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. - 1 Corinthians 9:12

Triumph in Christ
When I came to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ, even though a door was opened for me in the Lord, - 2 Cor 2:12

Did you forget your post 2013 from the other thread:

Your'e entitled to your own opinion my friend. Sure, I read and owned several books of Mormon Revelation including the BOM. If you think the Jesus found in the Bible alone is the same as the Jesus of the BOM, let's start a thread on that very topic, okay?

Emphasis added.

YOU framed it as Bible vs. BOM Jesus and invited me to start such a topic. Well, it's here. Tell, friend-o, where are the differences? I'll answer for you: there are NO differences. That's why you keep trying to change the argument: because there are no differences between the Jesus found in the Bible and the Jesus found in the BoM.
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
Did you forget your post 2013 from the other thread:



Emphasis added.

YOU framed it as Bible vs. BOM Jesus and invited me to start such a topic. Well, it's here. Tell, friend-o, where are the differences? I'll answer for you: there are NO differences. That's why you keep trying to change the argument: because there are no differences between the Jesus found in the Bible and the Jesus found in the BoM.

You are not kidding are you? You are really trying to seperate a discussion about Jesus Christ apart from Him being crucified, right?

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. - 1 Cor 2:22

The Preeminence of Christ

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister. - Paul

Death in Adam, Life in Christ

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Rom 5 - Paul

The Supremacy of God's Son

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. - Hebrews 1

Spiritual Blessings in Christ

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. - - Paul

In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. - Ephesians 1
 
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Watchmen

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You are not kidding are you? You are really trying to seperate a discussion about Jesus Christ apart from Him being crurcified?

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. - 1 Cor 2:22

The Preeminence of Christ

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister. - Paul


I don't know what you're talking about when you accuse me of trying to separate the discussion. From the beginning, this thread has been about whether there are any differences between the Bible Jesus and the Book of Mormon Jesus. Do you have any? If not, then I'll have to ask that you quit trolling.
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
To know a different Jesus is the same as knowing a different gospel.


For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. - 2 Cor 11:4
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
I don't know what you're talking about when you accuse me of trying to separate the discussion. From the beginning, this thread has been about whether there are any differences between the Bible Jesus and the Book of Mormon Jesus. Do you have any? If not, then I'll have to ask that you quit trolling.

What are you talkng about trolling? You wanted to to see if the Mormon Jesus is a different Jesus than the Biblical Jesus? How can we compare the similarities and differences apart from the work of Jesus Christ? You cannot seperate a discussion from the person of Jesus Christ and the work of Jesus Christ. The person and work of Jesus Christ are the same things. What in the heck did you have in mind? And maybe a more appropriate question to all of the Mormon Christians, what are you afraid of in discussing the work of Jesus Christ? Do believe that the Mormon Church proclaims a different gospel of Christ than the gospel of Jesus Christ found in the Bible?

No Other Gospel

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. - Gal 1
 
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Watchmen

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To know a different Jesus is the same as knowing a different gospel.


For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. - 2 Cor 11:4

I don't know a different Jesus. Jesus is the same in both. Can you show any differences? If you continue doing what you're doing I'll have to report you for not staying on topic.

Last chance.
 

Watchmen

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Premium Member
What are you talkng about trolling? You wanted to to see if the Mormon Jesus is a different Jesus than the Biblical Jesus? How can we compare the similarities and differences apart from the work of Jesus Christ? You cannot seperate a discussion from the person of Jesus Christ and the work of Jesus Christ. The person and work of Jesus Christ are the same things. What in the heck did you have in mind? And maybe a more appropriate question to all of the Mormon Christians, what are you afraid of in discussing the work of Jesus Christ? Do believe that the Mormon Church proclaims a different gospel of Christ than the gospel of Jesus Christ found in the Bible?

You haven't shown a single difference. You're just quoting scripture.
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
I don't know a different Jesus. Jesus is the same in both. Can you show any differences? If you continue doing what you're doing I'll have to report you for not staying on topic.

Last chance.

Here is your OP:

Are the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the BoM the same or different? Why?

Well, if you report me to the moderators, they will have to determine if we can compare a Mormon Jesus from a Biblical Jesus apart from the work of Christ. Please tell me what you had in mind in starting this thread. For a Biblical Christian, to discuss Jesus Christ is to discuss Jesus Christ and Him crucified. To not include Christ and Him crucified in comparing our beliefs in Jesus is to make us non-Christian. The Apostle Paul makes that same statement:

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. - 1 Cor 2:22
 
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Watchmen

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Premium Member
You have not even attempted to show a difference. It is clear now that you were never interested in a legitimate conversation.
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
You have not even attempted to show a difference. It is clear now that you were never interested in a legitimate conversation.

Post 28 is an honest attempt to show the differences between the Momon Jesus and the Jesus revealed in Scripture alone. Why are you so opposed in discussing why God the Father sent His Son into the world, and what God the Son actually accomplished? If we don't talk about the work of Jesus Christ, then what do you want to talk about in comparing the two Jesus Christs? Do you want to talk about His attributes, His diety, His role in the godhead, His dual nature? What are you trying to communicate?
 
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Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
It is clear now that you were never interested in a legitimate conversation.
Clear now? It was clear a year ago when Fish-Hunter first made his appearance. It was clear again a couple of weeks ago when he reappeared under a new name (presumably to once again start the deception of wanting to play nice).
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
Are the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the BoM the same or different? Why?

Please look at the thread topic. Watchmen started a thread to compare the Jesus of the Bible, and the Jesus of the Book of Mormon. I have no idea why you guys don't understand that we are doing that very thing as requested by the OP. What did all of you have in mind in comparing the Mormon Jesus and the Bible alone Jesus? Please let me know what you intended by this thread.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Post 28 is an honest attempt to show the differences between the Momon Jesus and the Jesus revealed in Scripture alone. Why are you so opposed in discussing why God the Father sent His Son into the world, and what God the Son actually accomplished? If we don't talk about the work of Jesus Christ, then what do you want to talk about in comparing the two Jesus Christs? Do you want to talk about His attributes, His diety, His role in the godhead, His dual nature? What are you trying to communicate?

You lasted edited post 28 after post 40-something was already on the board. Trying to cover your tracks?
 

Watchmen

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Clear now? It was clear a year ago when Fish-Hunter first made his appearance. It was clear again a couple of weeks ago when he reappeared under a new name (presumably to once again start the deception of wanting to play nice).

I was hoping my intuition was wrong. Turns out I was.
 

Watchmen

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Premium Member
What the heck are you talking about? It seems you guys want to avoid the topic at hand at all cost.

You wrote post 28 at 6:55pm (my time). You last edited that same post (I'm not sure how: deletions, additions, changes) at 7:22pm (27 minutes later). During those 27 minutes more posts were made (about 15), leaving post 28 behind. I presume that during that half-hour you went back to post 28 to try and make it seem like you were some-how following the OP.
 
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