sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
That’s not what I said, though. I said that not all Christian experience is found in the Bible. Contradiction is a separate issue.Its not found anywhere that contradicts the bible.
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That’s not what I said, though. I said that not all Christian experience is found in the Bible. Contradiction is a separate issue.Its not found anywhere that contradicts the bible.
For example ?That’s not what I said, though. I said that not all Christian experience is found in the Bible. Contradiction is a separate issue.
There a PLENTY of truths that are not stated in the Bible. One example: scientific discoveries. For religious ones, your own experience you described. It wasn't stated in the Bile, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen or wasn't God reaching out to you-- it was a super important.For example ?
He said 'Christian experience '. All what happened to me is in the bible. The 'experience 'i mean . If it wasnt then it could have been a false spirit which the bible warns about .There a PLENTY of truths that are not stated in the Bible. One example: scientific discoveries. For religious ones, your own experience you described. It wasn't stated in the Bile, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen or wasn't God reaching out to you-- it was a super important.
There's a difference between actually contradicting the Bible, versus further speaking of events/topics that the Bible is mute on.
You’re in the Bible? What verse may I read about Barry son of John and what happened to him?He said 'Christian experience '. All what happened to me is in the bible. The 'experience 'i mean . If it wasnt then it could have been a false spirit which the bible warns about .
Remember the Bible says that there are many things which are not written. We each contribute a chapter to the Christian story, but none of them are written in the Bible. Your own non-denominationalism, for example. The canonization of certain texts into what we call “the Bible.”For example ?
That’s like saying “Chevy or automobile?”Mormon or Christian?
Not when Mormons teach that Jesus is lucifers brother .That’s like saying “Chevy or automobile?”
Christianity isn’t primarily about doctrine; it’s about intention. That teaching may not be orthodoxy, but it does not preclude them from being Christian.Not when Mormons teach that Jesus is lucifers brother .
“Mormons” actually don’t spend time on that subject. The only way they are brothers in the technicality that the Father is the father of everyone.Not when Mormons teach that Jesus is lucifers brother .
Its not the same Jesus. Thats the issue . The mormon , Jehovah witness and Muslims Jesus is not the same as each others and they all are different from the Jesus of the Bible. There's only salivation in the Jesus according to the bible.Well it looks like this thread has settled down. @Barry Johnson , obviously LDS Christians aren't Evangelical Christians and there's some theological disagreements there. But we all still believe in our Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ, and salvation through Him.
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There's only one Jesus.Its not the same Jesus. Thats the issue . The mormon , Jehovah witness and Muslims Jesus is not the same as each others and they all are different from the Jesus of the Bible. There's only salivation in the Jesus according to the bible.
Lds believes what Lds teaches that the bible supposedly teaches about Jesus. Thats why it doesn't line up with Christianity. Jesus is not the brother of satan . Jesus created him . Col 1There's only one Jesus.
LDS Christians believe everything about Jesus stated in the Bible. There is disagreements with statements in the Creeds (for example consubstantiality), but a person is not saved by the Creeds.
Who was Lucifer's Father?Lds believes what Lds teaches that the bible supposedly teaches about Jesus. Thats why it doesn't line up with Christianity. Jesus is not the brother of satan . Jesus created him . Col 1
I know the Lds syllogism. This is how people get suckered into these ideas . No the bible says Jesus created Lucifer so LDS teaching is false, no matter how you frame it . Jesus creating lucifer settles the matter as to the ' relationship ' of who Jesus is ( Creator ) and who Lucifer is ( a creation ) Thus any attempt to try to say because the third person in the God head is Jesus 's ' Father ' ( not in the mormon sense) therefore he's the Father of Satan . No thats not biblical or logical.Who was Lucifer's Father?
Barry: I'm not trying to influence your beliefs at all. There's a lot I admire about Evangelicalism and several of my best friends are Evangelical and I love talking/supporting faith with them.I know the Lds syllogism. This is how people get suckered into these ideas . No the bible says Jesus created Lucifer so LDS teaching is false, no matter how you frame it . Jesus creating lucifer settles the matter as to the ' relationship ' of who Jesus is ( Creator ) and who Lucifer is ( a creation ) Thus any attempt to try to say because the third person in the God head is Jesus 's ' Father ' ( not in the mormon sense) therefore he's the Father of Satan . No thats not biblical or logical.
Again no ,that's not true or logical. ( or biblical) We don't acknowledge the same ' Father ' either . Its just a claim. We can all use the same terms like ' Father ' ,Jesus, Faith , Grace ect but we don't mean the same things. Lds have always tried to ' blend in ' with christianity using similar terminology ,that's how it has prevailed. But its not Christian and its not the same beliefs .The Jesus of LDS cannot save anyone. Its a false belief system .Barry: I'm not trying to influence your beliefs at all. There's a lot I admire about Evangelicalism and several of my best friends are Evangelical and I love talking/supporting faith with them.
Evangelicalism is a strong faith, one that doesn't need to misrepresent others to stand.
You and I both acknowledge the Father which is in Heaven as the only Father. Technically that makes everyone sibling, which doesn't mean anything as far as holiness. You trying to twist this otherwise only misrepresents both of our beliefs. Neither Evangelicals or LDS Christians need that, and it only makes LDS Christians misunderstand/flee Evangelicals.
I have zero desire to blend in with Evangelism! While I do admire much about the faith, there's parts (with all due respect) I find to not be in accordance with scripture and cannot ratify myself.Again no ,that's not true or logical. ( or biblical) We don't acknowledge the same ' Father ' either . Its just a claim. We can all use the same terms like ' Father ' ,Jesus, Faith , Grace ect but we don't mean the same things. Lds have always tried to ' blend in ' with christianity using similar terminology ,that's how it has prevailed. But its not Christian and its not the same beliefs .The Jesus of LDS cannot save anyone. Its a false belief system .
I gave just one example, ( Jesus created lucifer ) which if you took seriously you would turn from Morminism to Jesus and see clearly why Christians keeping telling you its not Christianity. Its out love we tell you . Jesus created Lucifer , hellooo !I have zero desire to blend in with Evangelism! While I do admire much about the faith, there's parts (with all due respect) I find to not be in accordance with scripture and cannot ratify myself.
However, being a Christian isn't synonymous with being an Evangelical. And even Evangelicals acknowledge that you're not saved by being an Evangelicals. Rather, we (both Evangelicals and LDS Christians) are saved thorough faith in our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.
If you wish to convince me difference between Evangelical and LDS Christian beliefs are too vast to both be considered Christian, then you're trying REALLY hard to convince me you're not really a Christian or saved.