Christians: They were banned!

[TheTruthWillSetUFree]

I don't believe the situation was handled correctly. Were these two members of that church? If they were, the pastor should have had a private meeting with them, and kindly and calmly explain that homosexuality is a sin, and show them the Bible verses that back that up. If they refused to repent of the sin, they should have been disfellowshipped- but only after they refused to acknowledge that they are living in sin.

I could'nt have said it any better.excellent response Christiangirl

 

[Booko]

A dog followed its master to a pentecostal church where the preacher thundered out his hell-fire sermons week after week. The church door was firmly shut on the dog. He settled down in the porch to await the end of the service. He felt a pat on his head and standing beside him was Jesus who said, "Nevermind buddy, I can't get in there either!"

In this country we have the same story, except the dog is replaced with an elderly black woman, and it's a "white" church.

"White church" should be an oxymoron.

 

[Mister_T]

Some people are born with addictive personalities does that make alcoholism good? Others are born with short tempers does that make violence good?

Um, ok. These things hurt people. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody. 2 people are in love with each other. The act of homosexuality doesn't have any negetive effects other than the propaganda that you throw at them.

Of course He needs us to reveal His will. How many people read the Bible? Did Jesus not say to give the Words of God to the World.

Since when is preaching the law to people giving the word of God? That's what the Pharisee's did and you're doing the same. Jesus condemned that type of behavior.

This is a shining example of how we're supposed to be sharing the word of God:

If you have a friend who's gay and Christian, sit down and talk with them about how they feel about it. How do they view the scriptures on homosexuality? Encourage them to pray endlessly about it, not out of guilt or shame - but simply faith. Just because someone still sins doesn't mean that God isn't working in their hearts!!!!!!

The fact is God will inscribe his law on that person's heart. He will do the work necessary to shape that person into what he wants them to be. Where in the Bible does Jesus give you the authority to preach the law? He doesn't. He tells us we all have planks in our eyes and we can't tell anybody about the speck in theirs. When you point your finger at them, that turns the speck in your eye, into a telephone pole. He tells you to humble yourself. A quality that people with mindset your displaying don't exibit that often if ever. Jesus tells you to "wash peoples feet". For people who claim to be so holy, they sure don't follow God's 2nd greatest command very well: Love others as you would love your self. I'm pretty positive that you would not people to throw you out of a church for something that you were positive wasn't wrong.


And I can tell you from personal experience, the thing that kept me from reading the Bible in my younger days was religious snobbery and their shades of bigotry. Luckily, God did not let that become a stumbling block for me.

I said this and i stand by it. We are all sinners there is no snobbery in what i said. It is not small mindedness it is revealing the truth about the act of homosexuality. It is a sin. And therefore must be recognised as such and repented of.

And your Pharisee like actions are a sin. Like you said we're all sinners. And as long as people like your self continue to point fingers and use guilt as a method, I will continue to reveal the truth about the act of hypocracy and borderline bigotry that you're displaying. It is a sin. And therefore it must be recognized and repented of.

 

[Adstar]

Those that undermine the Word of God by calling evil good should not be listened to. Sin is sin mr T May you be forgiven for calling the act of homosexuality good.

If you have a friend who's gay and Christian, sit down and talk with them about how they feel about it. How do they view the scriptures on homosexuality?

And in doing this that person is bringing the knowledge of the evil of the homosexual act to the homosexual. This is good. The homosexual then has the option of agreeing with the word of God and repenting of it or they can stay in their rebellion against the Word of God.

Either way they must be shown that their act is an abomination to God. To tell them that their act is OK as mr T has done is the greatest act of hate imaginable.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[dorcas3000]

Ok, I have to say it...I am completely turned off by the idea that if you tell someone they are sinning and they don't stop IMMEDIATELY or even remotely soon, then the church has some sort of right to judge them and kick them out. While there are several cases where this "not stopping" is refusing to repent and should be dealt with, I have to say that homosexuality is not one of them.

For example, I have a few Christian friends who are addicted to alcohol. They don't take this addiction lightly, and they know they are sinning. If you talk to them about it, they are practically in tears describing their struggle. Who am I or anyone else to come in and say "because you are still 'sinning' you are no longer welcome in the church."

I see the same thing with homosexuality. It is a freaking LIFESTYLE. I cannot imagine what it would be like to discover that my entire identity is sinful. Does the church really expect a gay couple to instantaneously break apart after hearing this message? The goal of the church should not be to simply 'rid the sin.' The goal of the church should be to bring these people so close to Christ that they see for themselves that they do not need their homosexual relationships. You do this by LOVING them and PRAYING for them and DISCIPLING them in Christ. Eventually, God will change their hearts. It may be an extremely long period of time. But to strip these people of everything they've ever known about love for the sake of 'cleansing the congregation, to judge them and kick them out of the church - that's downright cruel.

 

[Mister_T]

Those that undermine the Word of God by calling evil good should not be listened to. Sin is sin mr T May you be forgiven for calling the act of homosexuality good.

Wow. We are so quick to pass judgment. Not a surprise at all.
Just when you think people can't get anymore ignorant, someone comes out of no where and blows you away!

I know this will be impossible for you, but try not to let your own self righteousness consume you for like 5 seconds.

When in this entire thread have EVER said that homosexuality wasn't a sin? I haven't. When did I say it was ok? I haven't. I'm neuteral to the subject and I leave it in God's hands. If you ACTUALLY READ my posts instead of picking out things and twisting them to increase that huge self righteous ego of yours, you would see that I'm offering a perspective of a gay person.

And since I'm in the mood of informing, allow me to let you in on another little secret.......are we listening?......probably not but here it goes: Not all sin is evil. Sin means missing the mark. Falling short of God's standards.

But I do know that 2 people loving each other is not evil. Whether or not God likes it is a different story. I'd ask you to explain your reasoning as to why homosexuality is evil, but you've demonstrated that reasoning, along with reading skills, is non-existent within yourself.

And in doing this that person is bringing the knowledge of the evil of the homosexual act to the homosexual. This is good. The homosexual then has the option of agreeing with the word of God and repenting of it or they can stay in their rebellion against the Word of God. Either way they must be shown that their act is an abomination to God.

Remember what I said earlier about boderline bigotry? I take that back. This is full blown bigotry. You refer to gay people as if they were some sort of sub-human species. Gee, that sure is loving. Maybe after we inform "the homosexual" about how much of an abomination they are, we can go start a bon fire and put on our pointy white hats to celebrate! Of course we'll have our Bible in hand which proves how good we are despite our words and actions against people.

To tell them that their act is OK as mr T has done is the greatest act of hate imaginable.

Ignorance, sweet ignorance. Oh Adstar, showing people how insensitive they are to other peoples feelings is not hate. Now if I said that something like "It's when I experience someone with your mentality, that I'm thankful for the atom bomb" Now that's kinda hateful.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Wow. We are so quick to pass judgment. Not a surprise at all.
Just when you think people can't get anymore ignorant, someone comes out of no where and blows you away!

I know this will be impossible for you, but try not to let your own self righteousness consume you for like 5 seconds.

When in this entire thread have EVER said that homosexuality wasn't a sin? I haven't. When did I say it was ok? I haven't. I'm neuteral to the subject and I leave it in God's hands. If you ACTUALLY READ my posts instead of picking out things and twisting them to increase that huge self righteous ego of yours, you would see that I'm offering a perspective of a gay person.

And since I'm in the mood of informing, allow me to let you in on another little secret.......are we listening?......probably not but here it goes: Not all sin is evil. Sin means missing the mark. Falling short of God's standards."


By what authority do you make this statement? Sin is missing the mark, missing the mark of perfection which is God. Imperfection is rooted in evil, also by basic definition. Sin is blatant disobedience to God's law...again, evil.

"But I do know that 2 people loving each other is not evil. Whether or not God likes it is a different story. I'd ask you to explain your reasoning as to why homosexuality is evil, but you've demonstrated that reasoning, along with reading skills, is non-existent within yourself."


Really? So if a brother and sister "love each other" and decide to get married and have children together, that's not evil? Please explain to me why gay preferences should be tolerated, but incestuous ones shouldn't. If God doesn't like it, and God is perfect...it's BAD .

 

[Mister_T]

Really? So if a brother and sister "love each other" and decide to get married and have children together, that's not evil?

Um, yeah that's not evil. Evil is boiling kittens in hot water. Evil is not interbreeding with you siblings. Whether or not God approves of it is another matter, but it's not evil. Child rapists are evil. Serial Killers are evil. Racism, prejudice and bigotry is hate filled. Hate stems from evil. People on this thread are displaying they're hate for gay people. You think God approves of these actions that people are displaying?

And here's another news flash: Incest was in the Bible before Moses. Actually people in Jesus' time were marrying cousins so it trickled down after Moses too. If it wasn't for Adam and Eve's decendants interbreeding with each other, we wouldn't be here. But I'm sure someone will find someway to twist that.

Please explain to me why gay preferences should be tolerated

but incestuous ones shouldn't.

Please tell me why blatent bigotry and prejudice should be tolerated. People still practice incest today (which is becoming more apparent as this thread grows). Why aren't you guys putting the same amount of effort towards incest? Let alone the many other sins which are committed each day by people(including yourself). You guys have a war for the gay agenda? How about a war against incest? How about a war against drug dealers? How about a war against inner city gangs who kill people?

If God doesn't like it, and God is perfect...it's BAD

A lot of things are bad. For example peoples attitude towards gay people. Do you guys think God's going to let people gay bash in Heaven? Do you think he's going to allow you to degrade people?

Imperfection is rooted in evil, also by basic definition.Sin is blatant disobedience to God's law...again, evil.

Then by your definition, we're all evil. Because none of us are perfect. Which is a shocking reality for some of you. None of us have the right to point at others and call them evil, when we ourselves are evil.

 

[sojourner]

I side with Mr T on this one. I'm so sick and tired of hatred, degradation and bigotry being justified by "what the Bible says." Besides what it does to the recipients of this very "Christian" behavior, it also propagates a very poor image to the world of a religion that's supposed to be all about love and forgiveness. Third, since we are all part of the Body of Christ, it means that this kind of garbage is tainting the religion that I adhere to, so it affects me, as well, in essence making the message of judgmentalism and discrimination my message, too!

Sourthern preachers used the Bible to advocate slavery. Then, many evangelicals turned their ways of subjugation upon women, just when women were beginning to come into their own in American society. To this day they keep women beat down and "in their place," and all in the name of the Bible. Now, they've turned their contempt upon the homosexuals, citing the same old tired bits of scripture (some of which don't even mention the word "homosexuality"), and completely ignoring the overarching theme of the Bible, which is that God loves us, warts and all (even if homosexuality is an affliction, which I doubt it is).

This kind of devisive, derisive, unhospitable behavior has to stop. Whether we like homosexuality or not, agree with it or not, it is against the very fabric and nature of Christ and his followers to make the kinds of very judgmental statements that I have been hearing. Jesus never mentions the issue of homosexuality. What gives us the right to condemn a fellow person, if we don't know how Jesus would have treated him or her? Should we not assume the best? Should we not hope for the best? Should we not love unconditionally? Or are we going to stomp around self-righteously, slamming the doors of God's house in the face of the very people who need entrance the most? Who elected us to be God's gatekeepers?

I'm sure this is going to be a very unpopular post with many, and I'm sure some of you are going to try to engage me in a debate about the sinful nature of homosexuality. Let me be perfectly clear: I'm not interested in whether homosexuality is a sin. My beef isn't with homosexuality. My beef isn't with homosexual persons. I'd rather spend my time and energy loving people and giving them the benefit of the doubt, instead of poking my nose into their bedrooms. My beef is with judgmental, Christian people who treat a perceived sinner as a bacterium that needs to be eradicated, instead of treating each other with love and respect. My beef is with those who take a very beautiful religion and a very beautiful message and twist it into an opportunity to exclude. It's wrong.

 

[Mister_T]

I'm sure this is going to be a very unpopular post with many, and I'm sure some of you are going to try to engage me in a debate about the sinful nature of homosexuality. Let me be perfectly clear: I'm not interested in whether homosexuality is a sin. My beef isn't with homosexuality. My beef isn't with homosexual persons. I'd rather spend my time and energy loving people and giving them the benefit of the doubt, instead of poking my nose into their bedrooms. My beef is with judgmental, Christian people who treat a perceived sinner as a bacterium that needs to be eradicated, instead of treating each other with love and respect. My beef is with those who take a very beautiful religion and a very beautiful message and twist it into an opportunity to exclude. It's wrong.

What can I say other than I agree 100%. If I could frubal twice in a row a would.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Um, yeah that's not evil. Evil is boiling kittens in hot water. Evil is not interbreeding with you siblings. Whether or not God approves of it is another matter, but it's not evil. Child rapists are evil. Serial Killers are evil. Racism, prejudice and bigotry is hate filled. Hate stems from evil. People on this thread are displaying they're hate for gay people. You think God approves of these actions that people are displaying?

And here's another news flash: Incest was in the Bible before Moses. Actually people in Jesus' time were marrying cousins so it trickled down after Moses too. If it wasn't for Adam and Eve's decendants interbreeding with each other, we wouldn't be here. But I'm sure someone will find someway to twist that.

Please tell me why blatent bigotry and prejudice should be tolerated. People still practice incest today (which is becoming more apparent as this thread grows). Why aren't you guys putting the same amount of effort towards incest? Let alone the many other sins which are committed each day by people(including yourself). You guys have a war for the gay agenda? How about a war against incest? How about a war against drug dealers? How about a war against inner city gangs who kill people?

A lot of things are bad. For example peoples attitude towards gay people. Do you guys think God's going to let people gay bash in Heaven? Do you think he's going to allow you to degrade people?

Then by your definition, we're all evil. Because none of us are perfect. Which is a shocking reality for some of you. None of us have the right to point at others and call them evil, when we ourselves are evil.

I'm actually shocked....you're OK with INCEST?? I think the majority of people disagree with you on that one. Incest is disgusting. As for incest in the Bible, notice when it occurred...at the very beginning of the human race, when there was no other option . Once the population grew, and there was more if a gene pool, guess what happened? God banned incest!
By the way, I personally am JUST as opposed to incest as I am to homosexuality, polygamy, or any other sexual deviance. Believe me, I oppose drug dealers...but liberals keep trying to legalize drugs! Believe me, I oppose gang violence...but liberals want to keep defending gang leaders who have killed people! More effort is currently being put against the "gay rights movement" because THEY are putting more effort on US! People who engage in incest aren't out marching the streets of major cities insisting that somewhere in a secret, previously unheard of Amendment to the Constitution, brothers and sisters are given the right to get married! However, we do see such nonsense coming from the growing political movement of the "gay rights" people.
There will be no need for "gay bashing" in heaven, because there will be no gay people in heaven: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9-10 I find it absurd that, in this age, a Christian church cannot be allowed to follow the moral precepts of its own religion, and refuse certain people from membership who are clearly in sin according to their beliefs. There are (unfortunately) plenty of churches/religions out there that accept homosexuals...rather than insisting that everyone give into your personal sexual preference and forcing your views and orientation on every church you walk into, please just go to a church whose teaching you agree with!
Yes, we are all sinful and imperfect. That's a basic teaching of the Church. However, obviously all sins are not the same (eg, stealing a candy bar is not equivalent to rape). Although no one is perfect, we can still abide as best we can within the laws of God and follow the moral precepts of our own religion, which includes our ability to recognize someone as having fallen into serious sin (e.g. committing homosexual acts). Here in America, we have something called freedom of religion. That means we can practice religion however we want. If someone wants to start a church where only gay people are allowed, they have a Constitutional right to do so. Whether or not you like it or think it's "tolerant" is irrelevant. You can't force a church to believe or accept something or someone just because you think they should...so STOP TRYING!

FerventGodSeeker

 

[Mister_T]

I'm actually shocked....you're OK with INCEST??

Jumping to conclusions without carefully reading things must be some sort of contagious disease.*sigh* I never said I agreed with it. I just said it wasn't evil.

Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9-10 I find it absurd that, in this age, a Christian church cannot be allowed to follow the moral precepts of its own religion

The issues is not whether gay people get into Heaven or not. The issue is the TREATMENT of gay people. And the reality is, God won't tolerate that type of negetive attitude

because there will be no gay people in heaven

I believe it's God who decides who makes it into his kingdom. Not you.

However, obviously all sins are not the same

I oppose drug dealers...but liberals keep trying to legalize drugs! Believe me, I oppose gang violence...but liberals want to keep defending gang leaders who have killed people! More effort is currently being put against the "gay rights movement" because THEY are putting more effort on US!

So according to your logic, gay people (who are not causing any physical harm to anybody) require more attention and effort than people who are killing people?! Are you saying Homosexual sin is WORSE than killing people?

rather than insisting that everyone give into your personal sexual preference and forcing your views and orientation on every church you walk into, please just go to a church whose teaching you agree with!

Are gay people trying to enforce others to be gay? No. The fact is a persons sex life is nobody elses business. The only person who has a right to say anything is God. And persons relationship with God is between that individual and The Almighty. Not anybody else. Jesus would never deny people a place of worship.

More effort is currently being put against the "gay rights movement" because THEY are putting more effort on US! People who engage in incest aren't out marching the streets of major cities insisting that somewhere in a secret, previously unheard of Amendment to the Constitution, brothers and sisters are given the right to get married! However, we do see such nonsense coming from the growing political movement of the "gay rights" people.

While i agree that churches shouldn't be forced to marry gay people, I disagree that they should be denied to be married AT ALL. Marriage is no longer just "a church thing" It's a legal thing. And when Christains step out of their boundries and shove, people are going to shove back. Quoting Jesus:"For the same measure you use, that measure will be used against you"

Here in America, we have something called freedom of religion. That means we can practice religion however we want. If someone wants to start a church where only gay people are allowed, they have a Constitutional right to do so. Whether or not you like it or think it's "tolerant" is irrelevant. You can't force a church to believe or accept something or someone just because you think they should...so STOP TRYING

We also have something that overides that called "Every Man Is Equal" To deny someone a place of worship is to deny a constitutional right. You're breaking an amendment. And Fundelmentalist are notorious for steping out of their church jurisdictions and trying to enfore their beliefs on the entire nation. You people are drowning in your own hypocracy. Which is what this thread is about. Gay people are no worse sinners (of course this thread now makes me think other wise) then the self righteous hypocrites that persecute them. Leave people alone and they'll leave you alone.

 

[Mister_T]

I'

m sure this is going to be a very unpopular post with many, and I'm sure some of you are going to try to engage me in a debate about the sinful nature of homosexuality. Let me be perfectly clear: I'm not interested in whether homosexuality is a sin. My beef isn't with homosexuality. My beef isn't with homosexual persons. I'd rather spend my time and energy loving people and giving them the benefit of the doubt, instead of poking my nose into their bedrooms. My beef is with judgmental, Christian people who treat a perceived sinner as a bacterium that needs to be eradicated, instead of treating each other with love and respect. My beef is with those who take a very beautiful religion and a very beautiful message and twist it into an opportunity to exclude. It's wrong.

You know Sojourner, You should make a bumper sticker out of this.

 

[Adstar]

Ok, I have to say it...I am completely turned off by the idea that if you tell someone they are sinning and they don't stop IMMEDIATELY or even remotely soon, then the church has some sort of right to judge them and kick them out. While there are several cases where this "not stopping" is refusing to repent and should be dealt with, I have to say that homosexuality is not one of them.

For example, I have a few Christian friends who are addicted to alcohol. They don't take this addiction lightly, and they know they are sinning. If you talk to them about it, they are practically in tears describing their struggle. Who am I or anyone else to come in and say "because you are still 'sinning' you are no longer welcome in the church."

I see the same thing with homosexuality. It is a freaking LIFESTYLE. I cannot imagine what it would be like to discover that my entire identity is sinful. Does the church really expect a gay couple to instantaneously break apart after hearing this message? The goal of the church should not be to simply 'rid the sin.' The goal of the church should be to bring these people so close to Christ that they see for themselves that they do not need their homosexual relationships. You do this by LOVING them and PRAYING for them and DISCIPLING them in Christ. Eventually, God will change their hearts. It may be an extremely long period of time. But to strip these people of everything they've ever known about love for the sake of 'cleansing the congregation, to judge them and kick them out of the church - that's downright cruel.

What you are describing here is the thought of someone having to somehow achieve a sinless state in the flesh. Scripture tells us it is imposable to be sinless. If we had to maintain a sinless state to be a part of the Body of Christ then no one alive would be able to be a part of the Body of Christ.

All members of the Body of Christ are sinners. But we agree with the Word that sin is sin. And through love of the truth we do our best to resist sin and care for others. But one must have trust in the Word of God that reveals sin to us. The act of homosexual sex is an abomination to God and all people who are Christians and who suffer from these thoughts must resist this sin. I believe there will be many in heaven who where former repentant homosexuals.

But while we have the world blaring loud that the homosexual sex is good and even supposed "christians" telling homosexuals that there lust for other people of the same sex is all right with God. True Christians must speak out for the truth of scriptures on the matter, It does not matter if we are mocked, reviled and slandered by the false ones as i have been slandered on this forum. The truth must be told.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Matthew 5
“Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.

 

[Adstar]

When in this entire thread have EVER said that homosexuality wasn't a sin? I haven't. When did I say it was ok? I haven't. I'm neuteral to the subject and I leave it in God's hands. If you ACTUALLY READ my posts instead of picking out things and twisting them to increase that huge self righteous ego of yours, you would see that I'm offering a perspective of a gay person.

There is Not neutrality where the Word of God is concerned. One either agrees with the Word of God when it says that the homosexual act is an abomination or one disagrees with the Word of God.

Revelation 3
15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

And since I'm in the mood of informing, allow me to let you in on another little secret.......are we listening?......probably not but here it goes: Not all sin is evil. Sin means missing the mark. Falling short of God's standards.

Yes all sin is sin so why do you seek to undermine the Word of God that the Homosexual sex is a sin?

But I do know that 2 people loving each other is not evil. Whether or not God likes it is a different story. I'd ask you to explain your reasoning as to why homosexuality is evil, but you've demonstrated that reasoning, along with reading skills, is non-existent within yourself.

Reasoning? I trust in the truth of the Word of God on the matter. Not in the reasoning of the blind leaders who lead their followers to destruction.

2 Timothy 4
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at[a] His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Adstar]

I'm actually shocked....you're OK with INCEST??

Jumping to conclusions without carefully reading things must be some sort of contagious disease.*sigh* I never said I agreed with it. I just said it wasn't evil.

Let the word of their own mouths reveal their hearts.

Incest is evil.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Jumping to conclusions without carefully reading things must be some sort of contagious disease.*sigh* I never said I agreed with it. I just said it wasn't evil.

If it isn't evil, then why don't you agree with it?

The issues is not whether gay people get into Heaven or not. The issue is the TREATMENT of gay people. And the reality is, God won't tolerate that type of negetive attitude I believe it's God who decides who makes it into his kingdom. Not you.

LOL...wait, did I NOT just cite a direct, obvious Bible verse which says homosexuals won't be inheriting God's kingdom? God does decide who makes it into His kingdom, and He clearly has said, NONE of them will be homosexuals....Please, don't shoot the messenger, take it up with God.

So according to your logic, gay people (who are not causing any physical harm to anybody) require more attention and effort than people who are killing people?! Are you saying Homosexual sin is WORSE than killing people?

When in the world did I ever say that?? I was addressing two different points that you made. I believe they both need quite a bit of attention. I really don't give a hoot about what someone fantasizes about sexually...but when they try to force their sexuality on everyone else and try to force everyone to fit their mold, I'm not happy about it.

Are gay people trying to enforce others to be gay? No. The fact is a persons sex life is nobody elses business. The only person who has a right to say anything is God. And persons relationship with God is between that individual and The Almighty. Not anybody else. Jesus would never deny people a place of worship.

You're right, God is the only one with the right to say anything about, and i JUST SHOWED YOU what He had to say. Again, take it up with Him.
As for Jesus not denying people a place of worship...are you KIDDING? Do you not remember when Jesus angrily kicked the people out of the temple who were breaking God's law? Hate to break it to you, but homosexuals are breaking God's law...God has every right to kick them out when they are in blatant rebellion against Him.

While i agree that churches shouldn't be forced to marry gay people, I disagree that they should be denied to be married AT ALL. Marriage is no longer just "a church thing" It's a legal thing. And when Christains step out of their boundries and shove, people are going to shove back. Quoting Jesus:"For the same measure you use, that measure will be used against you"

Christians haven't stepped out of their boundaries...gay people have stepped out of THEIR boundaries, and tried to get the meaning of marraige changed to fit their particular definition that suits them. And yes, Christians ARE using that same measure back against them...we will not allow God to be mocked and His sacred institution changed to fit the likings of one sexually deviant people group who happen to be popular right now.

We also have something that overides that called "Every Man Is Equal" To deny someone a place of worship is to deny a constitutional right. You're breaking an amendment. And Fundelmentalist are notorious for steping out of their church jurisdictions and trying to enfore their beliefs on the entire nation. You people are drowning in your own hypocracy. Which is what this thread is about. Gay people are no worse sinners (of course this thread now makes me think other wise) then the self righteous hypocrites that persecute them. Leave people alone and they'll leave you alone.

We aren't denying them a place of worship...there are literally hundreds of churches and religions that accept homosexuality. Homosexuals may attend any of those that they like. However, for those religions that don't accept homosexuality, those churches have every right to exercise their freedom of religion, and practice it as they see fit...if they don't want to worship with or accept homosexuals, then they have every right to refuse membership to homosexuals, just as homosexuals have every constitutional right to create a "homosexuals only" church. "Every Man Is Equal" does not override religious freedom...they work hand in hand. Every man is free to practice the religion of their choice, but organized religion cannot and will not be forced to allow certain people into their religion if they choose not to. Again, it's called Freedom of Religion...the state cannot force a religion to accept people or not accept people.

FerventGodSeeker

 

[w00t]

I agree that churches can choose their members. Those that refuse to accept gays are mean spirited unpleasant and their brand of deity is too if that is what he expects!

 

[Booko]

really doubt they were forced from the church - but the minister in question probably made it clear to them that being gay was a sin and they needed to sort it out - couple felt they couldn't remain in the church and so were 'forced out' in that sense.

A little quibble -- I don't see where, in the Bible, it says *being* gay is a sin. The acting on the inclination is what is called the sin.

Although I would comment further I find it...er...interesting that homosexuals who act upon their inclination are publically condemned in a way that unrepentent adulterers aren't.

Things that makes you go hm.....

 

[Adstar]

The acting on the inclination is what is called the sin.

Jesus said:
Matthew 5
27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

It is both the thought and the act are sin.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days