Well for one, it's just gross. Put so is picking your nose. Picking your nose isn't evil. Insect and homosexuality is misdirected love.
You're actually going to try to equate having sex with a brother or sister with picking your nose? That is absolutely the worst analogy that I have ever heard.
I can read. Once again for like the 100th time, my issue is not with God and Gays, my issue is with people and Gays. You people speak as though you were God himself. You play judge, jury, and executioner of at anyone who isn't as "good" as you. When did you become God? When did you get his authority? The fact is it's God's job to condemn. Not yours. When you acheive perfection, then you can condemn. Otherwise you're making yourself a hypocrite. Your treatment of homosexuals is wrong. God has already said what he has to say. But Jesus showed love and compassion to the worst of sinners. Just because someone is living in sin doesn't give you the right to treat them poorly.
Sir, the Church does have God's authority, hate to break it to you (Matthew 16:18). If God has called homosexuality a sin which prevents entrance into heaven, then the Church also has the authority to make such a proclamation. God didn't inspire men to write such things in the Bible just so we could sit back and say, "Well, it's nice that God thinks that way....but God forbid (no pun intended) that we ever ACT on such proclamations!" Yes, Jesus did show love and compassion to the worst of sinners. However, that doesn't mean that He condoned their sin, or ignored it like it shouldn't matter. That's exactly what you're asking the Church to do with gays....pretend like they're not in serious sin, even though God plainly tells us that they are. Calling homosexuals out on the fact that their lifestyle is in serious opposition to God's law, is not "treating them poorly"...the whole point of discipline within the Church is that the sinner is to recognize the error of their ways and change so that they can resume a right walk with God. And, once again, I never claimed that anyone, including myself, is perfect. However, not all of us are in serious sin. As a Church, we are to judge amonst ourselves (1 Cor. 6:2-3, 11:13, Matt.18:15-17). We may, and in fact are obligated to, identify such sin as wrong, and act accordingly. Homosexuals are in blatant, serious sin that prevents them from inheriting God's kingdom. To allow them to associate with Christians in a house of worship as though nothing is wrong is simply not fulfilling our duty as a congregation.
Did you not read the part when I said correct me if I'm wrong? It seemed as though that was what you were saying. No one's trying to force you to be gay. People have a right to worship regardless of sexual orientation. If you don't give a hoot about their sexuality why would you throw them out of your church? here's a bit of a contradiction there.
I never said anyone was trying to force me to be gay. Homosexuals are, however, attempting for impose their moral values on my IN MY OWN CHURCH! I don't give a hoot about their homosexuality in any practical sense because it doesn't effect me if they keep it to themselves. However, they wish to go about changing the definition of marriage and forcing everyone to accept them, even against the precepts of others' religions, as openly gay. That is simply not right.
They key word here is God. Are you God? No. Do you have his authority? No. ONLY God has the authority to kick people out of HIS church. Not little self righteuous humans who are just as deserving of Hell as the rest of us.
Again, the Church does have authority from God to judge amongst ourselves. You wish to strip of us of that God-given privelege and force us to accept the moral values of homosexuals as acceptable in the house of a God who has plainly said He's not ok with it.
Were you not just preaching politics to me? So now that politics don't fit your agenda, you switch back to "God's Kingdom"?.......
Huh?? Our conversation has centered around both the political and religious aspects of the situation. We've both been commenting on both areas of the issue...how is commenting on both, suddenly a "switch back" because "politics don't fit my agenda"?
Here's a little fact of reality. Marriage is now part of the legal system. And with seperation of church and state in effect, gays have every right to marry now in this country. This place is the land of the free. Not the land of the fundementalist. If Christians don't like the laws and amendments that have been set in place by the founders of this country, then pack your bags and move to somewhere else. Every man is equal in this country. REGARDLESS of sexual oreintation. You can't rob people of their rights becuase you don't agree with what they do. If people were allowed to do that, you guys would have been out of business a long time ago.
Yes, marraige is now part of the legal system. Under the legal system, marriage is defined, and always has been defined, as a union between ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN. And yes, everyone in this country is equal. If a gay person wants to marry someone of the opposite sex, they may, just as straight people may marry someone of the opposite sex. That's as equal as it gets. However, neither gay nor straight people may marry someone of the opposite sex, because that type of union violates the definition of marriage....again, totally equal. I'm not robbing anyone of any right. I'm abiding with the plain definition of marriage that has always existed. If you wish to change that definition, then you must provide some reason why. By the way, "because we want to" and "because we can't help our feelings"...AREN'T valid reasons
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Freedom of religion means that you are free to believe what ever you want. But when your religion is imposing on peoples civil rights and basic freedoms, freedom of religion gets overridden. Sorry pal. It didn't work when people tried to do it with black people and women, and it's not going to work for gays either. And the more you try and oppress Gay people of their civil rights, the more people are going label you with the same ranks as the KKK. You can't amend the amendments set in place because you don't like gay people. Land of the free buddy. People can't discriminate in this country. It's against the law. Like I said, if you don't like the way are country is run please move. Preferably to an unheard, desolate, island where you guys can live amongst yourselves.
Marrying someone of the same sex is neither a civil right nor a basic freedom, nor has it ever been. You WISH it was, but the plain fact is that it isn't. There is no Amendment which says someone can marry a person of the same sex. If you don't like the definition of marriage in this country, or don't like the fact that people firmly defend their morality here and won't be forced to accept something that they believe is evil in their OWN CHURCHES, then take your own advice....leave.
