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Christians what makes you not accept Islam?

savethedreams

Active Member
So which website did you copy and paste this nonsense from? (You just blew it BIG TIME, pal!) And why do you honestly not care if what you post is accurate or not? You continue to intentionally misrepresent Mormon doctrine. Is it not against your religion to bear false witness? Do you seriously think you are doing Jesus Christ any favors by being dishonest?

That the Thing!!!!! People say the Bible has been mistranslated and 'changed over time, so a 'new' ""prophet"" came and "created" a book that would be more "clear" for the people of that day and time. So why choose Mormonism and not Islam?
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Why would a Christian not believe that Prophet Mohammed is not the last and final messenger?
Because both Mohammed and Jesus claimed to be the Prophet spoken of by Moses in Deu 18:15. Jesus stating in John 5:46 that Moses wrote about Him!

[VERSE=John 5:46,ASV]For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me.[/VERSE]
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Do Catholics believe the Bible coz it doesn't seem so from the few lines I read in these links?
[VERSE=Galatians 4:26,ASV]But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.[/VERSE]
[VERSE=1 John 4:1,ASV]Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.[/VERSE]
I was raised Catholic so I do know that there is a reading of Scripture during the service, but it seems the Priesthood intentionally leave out the parts of Scripture that don't agree with Catholic Doctrine.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
That the Thing!!!!! People say the Bible has been mistranslated and 'changed over time, so a 'new' ""prophet"" came and "created" a book that would be more "clear" for the people of that day and time. So why choose Mormonism and not Islam?
Islam teaches that Jesus was a great prophet, but not the Son of God who came to the earth to atone for my sins. Since I see Jesus from an entirely different perspective than Islam does, and Mormonism teaches what I personally believe Him to be, that's why I would choose Mormonism over Islam.
 
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leibowde84

Veteran Member
Why would a Christian not believe that Prophet Mohammed is not the last and final messenger?
He didn't provide any convincing supporting evidence for his claim. His "revelations" were seemingly generic and predictable. Many people have claimed to speak for God. Almost all have been seemingly wrong. Everyone should always be skeptical of anyone claiming to speak for God.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Islam teaches that Jesus was a great prophet, but not the Son of God who came to the earth to atone for my sins. Since I see Jesus from an entirely different perspective than Islam does, and Mormonism teaches what I personally believe Him to be, that's why I would choose Mormonism over Islam.

Do you think that not being born in Jemen might have affected your point of view?

Ciao

- viole
 

savethedreams

Active Member
He didn't provide any convincing supporting evidence for his claim. His "revelations" were seemingly generic and predictable. Many people have claimed to speak for God. Almost all have been seemingly wrong. Everyone should always be skeptical of anyone claiming to speak for God.

I totally agree. I wonder why certain people choose certain prophets ?
 

savethedreams

Active Member
Islam teaches that Jesus was a great prophet, but not the Son of God who came to the earth to atone for my sins. Since I see Jesus from an entirely different perspective than Islam does, and Mormonism teaches what I personally believe Him to be, that's why I would choose Mormonism over Islam.

Describe what you mean about your perspective of Jesus and how it lead your to Mormonism. I never gotten into Mormonism.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
It's because the gospels are reliable to what Jesus actually said. So there's no need to say "from the gospel of so and so Jesus said..." As He did say it. So since that's the case, it's easier and just as accurate to say "Jesus said..."
I'm sorry, but no one knows what Jesus actually said. This is obvious fact, as Jesus never wrote anything down himself. So, when you say "because the Gospels are reliable to what Jesus actually said", that is merely expressing your subjective belief. There is no evidence to support this claim. We are forced to go on the word of the authors.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Describe what you mean about your perspective of Jesus and how it lead your to Mormonism. I never gotten into Mormonism.
My perspective of Jesus is that He is the Christ, the Messiah, the literal Son of God sent to earth to atone for the sins of mankind, to be the first person to rise from the dead and to be the way by which we can be reconciled to God. I believe we must trust in Him and be obedient to His commandments in order for Him to extend His grace to us. I see Him as a prophet, but as much, much more than just a prophet. And I believe that God still calls prophets to lead and direct us. These things are in line with Mormonism, which I was born into but which -- more importantly -- I accepted as an adult after study, prayer and listening to my heart.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
True, but then Katzpur would not be the same person she currently knows herself to be. The point is practically worthless.

Well, I do not think it is. I think we should be particular skeptical when we acquire a belief that seems to depend on accidents of birth.

Ciao

- viole
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Well, I do not think it is. I think we should be particular skeptical when we acquire a belief that seems to depend on accidents of birth.
I can understand what you're saying, but it would be just as foolish to reject a belief system to avoid what you describe. I can't speak for other Mormons, but I do know that I have given my choice to remain in the faith I acquired "accidentally" a great deal of thought. I have never stayed just because it was comfortable to do so; I can assure you of that.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I can understand what you're saying, but it would be just as foolish to reject a belief system to avoid what you describe. I can't speak for other Mormons, but I do know that I have given my choice to remain in the faith I acquired "accidentally" a great deal of thought. I have never stayed just because it was comfortable to do so; I can assure you of that.

I never said "reject". I said "being very skeptical". The rational thing to do is to ask oneself how we arrived to a certain belief. Factor out what comes from the cultural milieu and see what is left. It is difficult, because this analysis requires the temporary suspension of the held belief.

And comfort or lack thereof is not an issue. A friend of mine almost died because he tried to run a marathon with an outside temperature of 38 degrees Celsius. Some think that pain and lack of comfort is cathartic. And that comfort is not good for you, independently from every medical evidence that running a marathon under the summer sun can be dangerous.

Therefore, the lack of comfort of belief X, does not influence the plausibility of X.

Ciao

- viole
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I never said "reject". I said "being very skeptical". The rational thing to do is to ask oneself how we arrived to a certain belief. Factor out what comes from the cultural milieu and see what is left. It is difficult, because this analysis requires the temporary suspension of the held belief.
But after skepticism comes either accepting or rejecting. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but here's what you appear to be saying: "There's a problem with your way of thinking if you were born in Utah to a Mormon family and 66 years later are still a Mormon. But if you were born to Jewish parents in New York City and converted to Mormonism at some point during your adult life, that's fine." I was raised by Mormon parents who encouraged me to think for myself and to not blindly accept everything I ever heard spoken from the pulpit. Should I convert to some other faith so prove that I've actually made an informed decision?

And comfort or lack thereof is not an issue. A friend of mine almost died because he tried to run a marathon with an outside temperature of 38 degrees Celsius. Some think that pain and lack of comfort is cathartic. And that comfort is not good for you, independently from every medical evidence that running a marathon under the summer sun can be dangerous.
My point was that there are people in every religion (and most definitely in Mormonism) who have actually said to me, "I don't know. I've never really thought about it much. Mormonism was good enough for my parents, so I figure it's good enough for me." I want to shake some common sense into these people. They are Mormons because it's all they know and they are comfortable with it.
 

Baladas

An Págánach
I haven't found any outstanding difference between Islam and Jesus himself. I think sometimes, the disagreeing factor comes with Paul and Islam. What the apostle Paul said/stated about Jesus and Islam.

Paul never said anything about Islam. He predated Muhammad by hundreds of years.
 
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