Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[Penumbra]

really? My vote is government action? No my vote is my own action. This argument is about government setting the rules according to their purpose or agendas, of which I am against. The constitution does not say I cannot vote according to my own personnel convictions religious or other.

If a law is written to allow heterosexual marriage and not homosexual marriage (as it currently is), what basis should it have? On what reasoning should it be built, considering that it's unlawful to build it with a religious argument.

Plus the whole chain of other arguments that one should logically work through to even get to that point, which haven't been addressed.

 

[oldbadger]

The Christians in my life who do not condone homosexuality and wouldn't legally support marriage equality, do not truly hate gay people. They genuinely believe that they need to place God first in their lives. They believe that homosexuality is sinful and will not support it, as they believe that doing so, is against God............................................

Hi Dawny....... But do the Christians in your life gather wealth to themselves, or accept divorce and remarriage, or accept affairs outside of marriage, or break any of the laws laid down in Leviticus?

If so, Dawny, then, by their own standards and faith in Jesus's words, they need to place God first in their own lives. Show me a discriminating Christian and I most probably will be able to show you a hypocrite.

Love, Peace, ...... and understanding...... good 1st values for any christian?

 

[Jainarayan]

I knew it!! Subversion of good, Christian morals through home decorating and fine wine! And all while looking fabulous!

We're gay and we approve this message.

(I'm a sick puppy, I know this )

 

[Penumbra]

Hi Dawny....... But do the Christians in your life gather wealth to themselves, or accept divorce and remarriage, or accept affairs outside of marriage, or break any of the laws laid down in Leviticus?

If so, Dawny, then, by their own standards and faith in Jesus's words, they need to place God first in their own lives. Show me a discriminating Christian and I most probably will be able to show you a hypocrite.

Love, Peace, ...... and understanding...... good 1st values for any christian?

I think we should institute into law that working on the Sabbath is illegal, since God says so, and the death penalty is commanded for such things.

And don't get me started on mixed fabrics and shellfish. We should have had those laws in place years ago.

 

[oldbadger]

What if were women's rights to vote that were revoked?

Wow!! Paul wrote that Men come before women. That is part of the Pauline Christian belief.

Question for christian ladies!!!::::---- Do you put yourselves behind your husbands or male family members? Do you consider yourselves as equals, or beneath men?

I guess that you do not? Then surely your case for all other Pauline rules and laws is dead and buried.

Christians do cherry pick their standards. Very bad.

 

[Lady B]

If a law is written to allow heterosexual marriage and not homosexual marriage (as it currently is), what basis should it have? On what reasoning should it be built, considering that it's unlawful to build it with a religious argument.

Plus the whole chain of other arguments that one should logically work through to even get to that point, which haven't been addressed.

You are confusing government rights and the rights of voters. If the government decided to impose laws on the people such as refusal of Marriage of either orientation,based on their own agenda, I would be seriously in contempt. My vote as an American is as valid as yours. I oppose for my own reasons as you are proposing for yours. None has the right to say how each our own votes are legitimately supported, whether it be religious provocation or not. It is my vote and until my rights to vote are taken from me, I will vote according to my own convictions and beliefs.

 

[oldbadger]

I think we should institute into law that working on the Sabbath is illegal, since God says so, and the death penalty is commanded for such things.

And don't get me started on mixed fabrics and shellfish. We should have had those laws in place years ago.

Blimey!! I'm glad I'm only a pan(en)theist. I collect oysters off the beach once a week, so that's me for hellfire. And Mrs Badger and mixed fabrics? Well, now there's one wicked wicked lady for purgatory.....if she's lucky! I always knew she was bad.

What? So we are to have scaffolds in shopping centres with swaying bodies? Only on Monday mornings, mind you!

 

[Lady B]

I think we should institute into law that working on the Sabbath is illegal, since God says so, and the death penalty is commanded for such things.

And don't get me started on mixed fabrics and shellfish. We should have had those laws in place years ago.

This is pretty much the standard argument for opposing any Christian doctrines
If we support any biblical precept then we must support death penalty for sabbath breakers, cmon This is getting old.

 

[oldbadger]

This is pretty much the standard argument for opposing any Christian doctrines
If we support any biblical precept then we must support death penalty for sabbath breakers, cmon This is getting old.

OK...... so supporting the death penalty for sabbath breakers is getting old. True. Next point. Discriminating against homosexuals is also well old. Come on!

Time to chuck this old stuff away and come back to Love, peace, understanding and Jesus's high-value guidance. Then at least I won't feel so bad about my oyster breakfasts!

 

[Penumbra]

You are confusing government rights and the rights of voters. If the government decided to impose laws on the people such as refusal of Marriage of either orientation,based on their own agenda, I would be seriously in contempt. My vote as an American is as valid as yours. I oppose for my own reasons as you are proposing for yours. None has the right to say how each our own votes are legitimately supported, whether it be religious provocation or not. It is my vote and until my rights to vote are taken from me, I will vote according to my own convictions and beliefs.

Vote for what?

Vote for a person who wants to uphold, create, or remove laws and policies. I'm not confusing anything; there's no magic space between voting and laws; one leads to the other. The government is already imposing laws that refuse marriage to people based on orientation, both on the state level and the national level.

If you vote for a candidate that supports the idea of a government not allowing homosexual marriage, what secular reasoning should they base that law on as they construct it, given that they cannot lawfully construct it on the basis of a religion?

This is pretty much the standard argument for opposing any Christian doctrines
If we support any biblical precept then we must support death penalty for sabbath breakers, cmon This is getting old.

It's old because those arguments are never properly addressed.

People want to impose their religious beliefs on others, and in an inconsistent manner. You'll hear the same arguments for as long as they remain valid, and they always will.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If I do not, this does not prove the law was abolished, It proves I am a sinner in need of a savior, Thank God I have one, or I would be under the penalty for breaking each and every law.

The same Paul who wrote that homosexuality is a sin also wrote that women should be silent in church, not teach men, not braid their hair, and not wear gold.

Do you have a wedding ring?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There are indeed verses That allow Christians to eat any food blessed in prayer. You see this as a contradiction or abolishment, we see it as part of Christs atonement. However if you are not a Christian and are not under the blood of Christ, You will be judged by the law and you will pay the penalty for breaking it.

If you're talking about 1 Timothy 4, then immediately before the verses that declare that any food blessed in prayer is acceptable, there are verses that state that in latter days there will be people who will forbid marriage, and these teachings forbidding marriage come from "hypocritical liars" following "deceiving spirits" and "demons".

Funny, that.

 

[Lady B]

OK...... so supporting the death penalty for sabbath breakers is getting old. True. Next point. Discriminating against homosexuals is also well old. Come on!

Time to chuck this old stuff away and come back to Love, peace, understanding and Jesus's high-value guidance. Then at least I won't feel so bad about my oyster breakfasts!

Do you honestly and wholeheartedly believe Jesus would vote for same sex marriage? I wish people would stop making Christ a liberal and anything goes as long as peace is ensued. Christ was not for humanism, and railed against ideas contrary to scripture. Seriously ask yourself what Christ would say about us consenting and supporting laws defying God's word?

 

[Jainarayan]

And Mrs Badger and mixed fabrics? Well, now there's one wicked wicked lady for purgatory.....if she's lucky! I always knew she was bad.

Meh, if there was a hell I'd be going there for wearing 60/40 cotton/poly shirts (JCPenney has great Stafford dress shirts ). So I'll just be reborn as an artichoke.
:biglaugh:

 

[Penumbra]

Do you honestly and wholeheartedly believe Jesus would vote for same sex marriage? I wish people would stop making Christ a liberal and anything goes as long as peace is ensued. Christ was not for humanism, and railed against ideas contrary to scripture. Seriously ask yourself what Christ would say about us consenting and supporting laws defying God's word?

He'd probably recommend differentiating between what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God.

It's not a law taking away anyone's freedom; it's a law giving equal freedom to all.

 

[Dingbat]

Do you honestly and wholeheartedly believe Jesus would vote for same sex marriage? I wish people would stop making Christ a liberal and anything goes as long as peace is ensued. Christ was not for humanism, and railed against ideas contrary to scripture. Seriously ask yourself what Christ would say about us consenting and supporting laws defying God's word?

So the Jesus who drank a ton and hung out with hookers would have a problem with Homosexuals? What a ******* then. In the Gospels Jesus is constantly berated for drinking and breaking bread with the worst of Jewish society. Yet he hates Homosexuals, loves guns, and napalming children. Right Wing Jesus sounds like a ******* sociopath.

 

[Lady B]

If you're talking about 1 Timothy 4, then immediately before the verses that declare that any food blessed in prayer is acceptable, there are verses that state that in latter days there will be people who will forbid marriage, and these teachings forbidding marriage come from "hypocritical liars" following "deceiving spirits" and "demons".

Funny, that.

In order to use this verse in support of gay marriage, you need show the biblical definition of marriage supporting gays. The biblical marriage is male and female, so the prophesy of latter days is obviously speaking of the biblical and traditional view.

 

[Dingbat]

In order to use this verse in support of gay marriage, you need show the biblical definition of marriage supporting gays. The biblical marriage is male and female, so the prophesy of latter days is obviously speaking of the biblical and traditional view.

Why do you not follow the rest of Leviticus then? Cherry picking is cherry picking no matter how you slice it.

 

[Penumbra]

In order to use this verse in support of gay marriage, you need show the biblical definition of marriage supporting gays. The biblical marriage is male and female, so the prophesy of latter days is obviously speaking of the biblical and traditional view.

The biblical view of marriage includes marriage between a male and female, and also polygamy, concubines, and marrying rapists.

See here:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/140666-redefining-marriage.html

Regardless, U.S. laws are not legally able to be based on religious reasons, so it's still the same unaddressed point.

 

[Lady B]

So the Jesus who drank a ton and hung out with hookers would have a problem with Homosexuals? What a ******* then. In the Gospels Jesus is constantly berated for drinking and breaking bread with the worst of Jewish society. Yet he hates Homosexuals, loves guns, and napalming children. Right Wing Jesus sounds like a ******* sociopath.

Guess I deserved this backlash for asking for serious contemplation, dang...