Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[tumbleweed41]

It is what the sex organs were actually designed for ...

That point of view only holds water for those who believe those organs were "designed".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And again, this should be for a different thread, but I'd bet you every dollar I have and will ever earn that the majority of men would prefer a less experienced woman for a long-term partner, and it's rather hard to find anything but anecdotal evidence, website forums (LOTS of them), blogs (LOOOOTS of them) and such to back my point, I'll see if I can find studies on the issue.

I know a number of men who would rather have an experienced woman. They actually think that their female partners being virgins is highly over-rated. Robin Williams even done a joke mentioning having to teach a virgin how and what to do.

It is what the sex organs were actually designed for so I think there is at least some merit to the argument. I think this little fact gets lost sometimes in a culture that views these organs primarily as toys.

If that were the case, orgasms would not be possible (especially for women), the clitoris would not exist (and it's sole function is nothing more than sexual pleasure), and sex would be pretty lame and boring. But because we have all the spots, places, areas, and orifices, to say the function is for reproduction is technically true, but to leave it at that is like having a sports car that is only for going places, and to never enjoy the stereo, sun roof, cruise control, or even use the heater, defrosters, or air conditioner.

 

[NIX]

I know a number of men who would rather have an experienced woman. They actually think that their female partners being virgins is highly over-rated. Robin Williams even done a joke mentioning having to teach a virgin how and what to do.


If that were the case, orgasms would not be possible (especially for women), the clitoris would not exist (and it's sole function is nothing more than sexual pleasure), and sex would be pretty lame and boring. But because we have all the spots, places, areas, and orifices, to say the function is for reproduction is technically true, but to leave it at that is like having a sports car that is only for going places, and to never enjoy the stereo, sun roof, cruise control, or even use the heater, defrosters, or air conditioner.

Sometimes cars are not for going places. Sometimes they are just for the experience of the drive. If fuel cost less, and life were less busy and stressful, there would be more joy riding.

 

[Shermana]

Arguing that PIVMO sex is the only sex that counts doesn't exactly make your position sound less misogynist.

Frankly I really don't care if I Sound misognyist to someone, since one could take everything about my religion regarding females and call it such. You could call plenty of my female friends misogynist and "brainwashed" as well from what they say and think, including the Lesbian-ish ones. Notice how I said "In the classical sense at least". By calling me or my position misogynist, what are you trying to gain exactly? I don't believe that non-male-female "sex" counts as real intercourse, (PIV would count just as much, not necessarily just "PIVMO") and this has been a position of Rabbis as well. Such a title means nothing to me, if it alienates me from a certain segment of the female population, so be it.

 

[Shermana]

Especially New Zealenders? Care to explain.

I cant speak for the other nationalities us generic aussies really arent that fussed as long as you are clean and dont sleep around. Religious aussies are a bit different.

Hold on here, what's that "Don't sleep around "part all about?

As for New Zealanders, I'll find the statistic if requested, it was reported they have the highest average partner count. And the New Zealand girls who came to visit when I was staying at my friend's place near NYC were.....ahem...quite wild to say the least, but so was the Israeli girl and the local girls to be fair.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Note to self: find some New Zealander girls

 

[Straw Dog]

Note to self: find some New Zealander girls

Very true for single dudes. There is no monolith in the human mind that dictates one course of action. It's a hodge-podge of competing instincts and processes. I have read that more intelligent guys tend to prefer monogamous relationships. Regardless, at the end of the day, we're sexual beings. I guarantee any individual will succumb to temptation when the particular chemistry is right. I don't just mean basic sexual attraction, but rather a specific meshing of personality types and circumstances. They may temporarily refrain from going all the way, but even my most "abstinent" friends have engaged in oral sex, etc.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I must admit the sound of a down-under accent gets me a bit tingly.

 

[Maya3]

The second, that women should stick to women until they are ready to get married. That would basically slash disease, unwanted pregnancies, and general ...ahem...."Wear and tear" down to near zero. Lesbians have an extremely low STD rate. (As opposed to their male counterparts who have a much higher than average, especially with specific ones like Syphilis, where they account for 60% of all known cases, that's just facts, no bullying intended).

What?!

Maya

 

[Maya3]

Being a lesbian is not a choice. Being bi/pansexual means that I can choose who to be with, but "lesbianism" is not a fad or a phase or an option or an alternative. And thinking it is shows me how little you think of lesbians and gays.

And not only to gays, but to straights as well. Why would you want to have sex with women if you are not into them?


Shermana,
Your view on women and sexuality is extremely insulting.
And old fashioned. Are you aware that it is 2012 now?

Women and men are able to decide with whom and when they have sex, purity has nothing to do with it.
Why would having sex make you unpure in the first place?

Some of your posts here are against the rule of conduct.
Please be respectful, talking about wear and tear on vagina's is completely uncalled for, all it does is to expose your extreme ignorance on the subject of sexuality.

Maya

 

[Storm]

I contended that justification of these behaviors is a hateful. Maybe your definition of "justification" is different than mine. I don't define it as peacebly disagreeing with people. I define as approving of something.

Approval isn't indicative of hatred, either.

 

[Storm]

Of course I could stop believing. I could simply embrace one of the other teachings going around. Teachings like "God isn't real, it's a figment of the imagination.", or "God is a dirt bag who cares nothing for his creation." I could probably find some events in my life, usually ones involving experiences of pain, that on the surface look as though they support such assertions.

If you're telling the truth here, it simply means that you have no faith to begin with. Which would go a long way to explaining why you try to force conformity on everyone else.

 

[Storm]

I am not ashamed of my so-called "misogyny" whatsoever

Yeah, we can tell.

 

[Agnostic75]

It is what the sex organs were actually designed for.......

Why did the designer program the entire species of bonobo monkeys to be bi-sexual?

What do you suggest that homosexuals do about their homosexuality?

Homosexuals did not ask for their sexual identity to turn out to be homosexual. Sexual identity is not a choice. Some homosexuals have said that if sexual identity was a choice, they would have chosen to be heterosexual in order to prevent persecution.

This is a bit off-topic, but do you accept creationism, the global flood theory, and the young earth theory?

 

[Storm]

And again, this should be for a different thread, but I'd bet you every dollar I have and will ever earn that the majority of men would prefer a less experienced woman for a long-term partner, and it's rather hard to find anything but anecdotal evidence, website forums (LOTS of them), blogs (LOOOOTS of them) and such to back my point, I'll see if I can find studies on the issue.

As for men feeling experienced or unconfident, it's a well known fact that women are attracted to confidence, but I fail to see the relevance.

You can call it a polished turd all you want, but reality is reality, whether you think its a turdy reality you want. Go try telling Orthodox Jews that the emphasis for sexual purity is a polished turd.

The Orthodox Jews are defined by keeping purity laws steeped in millennia of patriarchy. As for the rest of your post, it just regurgitates the point Penguin just debunked.

 

[Storm]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here in context to what I said.

She's pointing out that you seem to be laboring under the delusion that female homosex "doesn't count."

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Well, this thread took an interesting turn.

Anyone else care to document how attractive I have been to my husband of nearly 10 years when he first met me as a "loose woman"? Anyone else care to paint all men as misogynistic and patriarchal? I'm bisexual, have had plenty of experience with both sexes, and neither of those made a blip on the radar of what the hubbie thought was relevent to what made marriagable material. He has repeatedly told me that the reasons why we asked me to marry him, and the reasons why he has stayed, is because of my beauty, my intelligence, my sense of humor, my kindness, my strength and feistyness, that I'm a great mother, and that I have a LOT of bedroom skills that he enjoys.

He never really cared how many partners I've had. We brought it up just for trivia's sake I think just a few times in our many years together. And again, we've been married almost 10 years and together for 12 years.

Just wanting to throw that out there for anyone who is hoping that there are plenty of men out there who thinks the totality of a woman is much much more than the amount of "wear and tear" she has.

 

[Me Myself]

I don´t think I´d care much for that.

I mean, it tends to have pros and cons. More partners equals less inhibited and that equals lots of fun.

I care if I can trust her to be loyal to me, but that doesn´t depend on how many partners she´ve had, that depends on the conditions in which she has had them, sort to say.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I don´t think I´d care much for that.

I mean, it tends to have pros and cons. More partners equals less inhibited and that equals lots of fun.

I care if I can trust her to be loyal to me, but that doesn´t depend on how many partners she´ve had, that depends on the conditions in which she has had them, sort to say.

I think you'd get a clue with the "conditions" with how a woman talks with YOU, if that is a concern for you.

IOW, what were the "conditions" that got the two of you together in the first place? I'd say that's paramount.

 

[sojourner]

most gays I know disagree with you just for the record.

"those who identify as homosexual" is a good way to say it.