Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[allright]

No, the other is inside your quote box. I hate when people do that.

I didnt intend to

 

[-Peacemaker-]

If you're telling the truth here, it simply means that you have no faith to begin with. Which would go a long way to explaining why you try to force conformity on everyone else.

So you never take anybody's word when they tell you something?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

We are waiting for opponents of homosexuality to explain why God designed the entire species of bonobo monkeys to be bi-sexual, and to state what they recommend that homosexuals do about their homosexuality.

The Bible states all nature has been corrupted, not just humans ,but only humans can knowing choose between good and evil

Homosexuals and everyone else who hasnt should repent of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and he will chnage them.

its not theory, there are former homosexuals in my may Church who have been changed by the power of God, One a personal friend has been happly married with four beautiful children for over 20 years

Indeed. The God I know and believe in changes people's hearts all the time so that they desire what is good and right. For some reason when it comes to this one particular inclination people often feel that it's too much for the Lord to handle.

 

[Storm]

So you never take anybody's word when they tell you something?

That's not remotely what I said. I said if we do take your word for it, you have no faith to speak of, which means you have no grounds to lecture people on theirs.

To answer the question, though, I rarely accept what I'm spoonfed, no. I prefer confirmation to blind faith on any issue of importance.

 

[Storm]

Indeed. The God I know and believe in changes people's hearts all the time so that they desire what is good and right. For some reason when it comes to this one particular inclination people often feel that it's too much for the Lord to handle.

So, does that mean you were lying when you said you could choose to stop believing?

 

[Agnostic75]

This just isn't that compelling of a question. Do you really think the animal kingdom provides a model of human behavior? Or do you only use it as a model when it comes to behaviors that you wish to justify?

I am not trying to justify animal behavior, or human behavior for that matter since many animals act much better than many humans do. I asked you why God designed the entire species of bonobo monkeys to be bi-sexual? Why would he have needed, or wanted to do that?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

That's not remotely what I said. I said if we do take your word for it, you have no faith to speak of, which means you have no grounds to lecture people on theirs.

To answer the question, though, I rarely accept what I'm spoonfed, no. I prefer confirmation to blind faith on any issue of importance.

That is the first time in my whole life that I've ever heard anyone argue that trust is actually the opposite of faith

 

[Storm]

That is the first time in my whole life that I've ever heard anyone argue that trust is actually the opposite of faith

Again, that's not remotely what I said. If you're going to just make up arguments and attribute them to me, please don't waste my time.

 

[McBell]

No Everyone is a sinner and needs to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Trying to be sinless is hopeless, even if one suceeds in a certain area from the outward act

Wow.
You swallowed that propaganda speech hook, line and sinker....

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No Everyone is a sinner and needs to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Trying to be sinless is hopeless, even if one suceeds in a certain area from the outward act

So for an "unsaved" person, what sort of sex they engage in is irrelevant to the fate of their soul?

Yes if they dont repent.

But they CAN repent, right?

So... when we unpack everything, it turns out that in your view, homosexuality doesn't actually cause harm most of the time; the only people who would suffer anything mire because of it is a very narrow category of people: "saved" people who engage in same-sex sexual acts but don't repent before they die.

Interesting.

 

[Storm]

I didnt intend to

How To Use the Quote Feature

 

[sojourner]

Unrepentant sex outside the man woman marriage relationship is harmful if someones considers spending eternity in hell a bad thing

Homosexual relations can never be "normal" The human body wasnt designed that way

"Threat of hell" isn't a universal absolute, so that argument fails right out of the gate. As for your second statement, the DSM IV disagrees with you. Homosexuality isn't listed as an abnormality. And I would question your observation that "the human body wasn't designed that way." The human body was designed to give and receive pleasure in an intimate way, which is what the sex act is for. Another failure.

Addition: Give homosexual people the privilege of marriage, and they won't have to engage in sex outside the marriage relationship. You're willfully setting up people whom you should love to fail in the eyes of God. How wrong is that???

 

[Agnostic75]

The Bible states all nature has been corrupted.......

But if you are referring to the book of Genesis, it teaches creationism, which has been widely rejected, even by the majority of Christian biologists and biochemists. One study shows that 99.86% of American experts accept naturalistic or theistic evolution.

It is not theory, there are former homosexuals in my may Church who have been changed by the power of God, one a personal friend has been happly married with four beautiful children for over 20 years

But even some proponents of reparative therapy admit that it only "works" about 30% of the time, and that religious motivation is the chief reason for "success."

How many cases do you know of where God has completely healed people of severe cases of cerebral palsy, or multiple sclerosis? I do not know of any.

 

[sojourner]

We are waiting for opponents of homosexuality to explain why God designed the entire species of bonobo monkeys to be bi-sexual, and to state what they recommend that homosexuals do about their homosexuality.

The Bible states all nature has been corrupted, not just humans ,but only humans can knowing choose between good and evil

Homosexuals and everyone else who hasnt should repent of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and he will chnage them.

its not theory, there are former homosexuals in my may Church who have been changed by the power of God, One a personal friend has been happly married with four beautiful children for over 20 years

Homosexuality isn't a sin. In the case of your friend, he quite possibly wasn't homosexual to begin with. Sexuality isn't a a choice. It's the way people are made. 1) How can that be "sinful," and 2) why should God want to change gay people, any more than God would want to make black people white?

 

[sojourner]

Indeed. The God I know and believe in changes people's hearts all the time so that they desire what is good and right. For some reason when it comes to this one particular inclination people often feel that it's too much for the Lord to handle.

Maybe God should make all women men, or all Jews Christians, or all Hispanics white, or all Europeans Americans, or all Christians wacko fundigelicals?

Or could it just possibly be that you're mistaken and God's OK with the whole homosexuality thing?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

That's not remotely what I said. I said if we do take your word for it, you have no faith to speak of, which means you have no grounds to lecture people on theirs.

To answer the question, though, I rarely accept what I'm spoonfed, no. I prefer confirmation to blind faith on any issue of importance.

I said that I choose to believe God is with me even if it doesn't FEEL like he is. You somehow equated that to a LACK of trust.

 

[Storm]

I said that I choose to believe God is with me even if it doesn't FEEL like he is. You somehow equated that to a LACK of trust.

No, you said you could choose to stop believing in God. Would you like me to quote you?

Furthermore, I didn't equate that to a lack of trust, but a lack of belief at all. I did use the word 'faith,' though, so the confusion is understandable. But the only chosen belief is one that you just want to believe. If you really did believe, you couldn't stop on a whim.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

No, you said you could choose to stop believing in God. Would you like me to quote you?

Furthermore, I didn't equate that to a lack of trust, but a lack of belief at all. I did use the word 'faith,' though, so the confusion is understandable. But the only chosen belief is one that you just want to believe. If you really did believe, you couldn't stop on a whim.

I couldn't just stop believing that there is a God/creator. I think all of creation testifies to his existence. I always thought that even as an agnostic. I could however stop taking his word for it that he has my best interests at heart. I could stop believing that his name is Yahweh just like I could choose to no longer believe your name is X even if that's what you told me your name was.

 

[Storm]

I couldn't just stop believing that there is a God/creator. I think all of creation testifies to his existence. I always thought that even as an agnostic. I could however stop taking his word for it that he has my best interests at heart. I could stop believing that his name is Yahweh just like I could choose to no longer believe your name is X even if that's what you told me your name was.

How, exactly could you do any of those things? Because I just don't believe you. And I can't choose to start.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

How, exactly could you do any of those things? Because I just don't believe you. And I can't choose to start.

It's pretty simple. Your sense of logic hardly constitutes indisputable evidence that Jesus is not the Lord and that God doesn't love us. And I can't take you up to Heaven so that you can personally see him sitting on the right hand of God. We've both taken things on faith. I've chosen to not always lean on my own understanding of the events that have transpired in my life. Quite often I've said to myself "what was God thinking when he allowed this or that to happen." I choose to believe that there is something good behind the scenes that I can't see. We all have the capacity to make that choice and saying otherwise is just a copout.