Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[Storm]

It's pretty simple. Your sense of logic hardly constitutes indisputable evidence that Jesus is not the Lord and that God doesn't love us. And I can't take you up to Heaven so that you can personally see him sitting on the right hand of God. We've both taken things on faith. I've chosen to not always lean on my own understanding of the events that have transpired in my life. Quite often I've said to myself "what was God thinking when he allowed this or that to happen." I choose to believe that there is something good behind the scenes that I can't see. We all have the capacity to make that choice and saying otherwise is just a copout.

No, we don't, and no, it isn't. You believe or you don't. I'm not claiming proof, I'm saying belief is not voluntary. Calling that a cop out doesn't answer the question of how you think you can get around it.

 

[allright]

But if you are referring to the book of Genesis, it teaches creationism, which has been widely rejected, even by the majority of Christian biologists and biochemists. One study shows that 99.86% of American experts accept naturalistic or theistic evolution.

Define an expert


But even some proponents of reparative therapy admit that it only "works" about 30% of the time, and that religious motivation is the chief reason for "success."

Im taking about God changing people, not some reparative therapy. Whatever that is its not in the Bible



How many cases do you know of where God has completely healed people of severe cases of cerebral palsy, or multiple sclerosis? I do not know of any.[/quote]

A man named George Davis visited a Kathryn Kuhlman service in 1973.
After she prayed for him his heart was healed, the incission scar from a pacemaker being placed in his chest disappeared and the pacemaker disappeared from inside his body
He appeared on her television show and the miracle is recorded in her biography.
He was examined by a group of 7 cardiologists who had no explanation
There is a newspaper interview with him by the "African American" from 1973 on the internet.
On the google seach put" kathryn Kuhlman davis pacemaker disappears"
Its the first article from the search

 

[allright]

So for an "unsaved" person, what sort of sex they engage in is irrelevant to the fate of their soul?

If you consider eternity in hell irrelevant

But they CAN repent, right?

So... when we unpack everything, it turns out that in your view, homosexuality doesn't actually cause harm most of the time; the only people who would suffer anything mire because of it is a very narrow category of people: "saved" people who engage in same-sex sexual acts but don't repent before they die.

Youve got to be kidding

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This just isn't that compelling of a question. Do you really think the animal kingdom provides a model of human behavior? Or do you only use it as a model when it comes to behaviors that you wish to justify?

Humans are animals though. And believe me, the world and human behavior makes so much more sense when you approach humans as such.

 

[Agnostic75]

Define an expert.

As far as intelligent design is concerned, experts would include people who have a Ph.D. in biology, or biochemistry.

According to one study, in the U.S., 99.86% of experts accept naturalistic or theistic evolution.

What evidence do you have that the book of Genesis is literally true?

 

[Agnostic75]

A man named George Davis visited a Kathryn Kuhlman service in 1973.

After she prayed for him his heart was healed, the incission scar from a pacemaker being placed in his chest disappeared and the pacemaker disappeared from inside his body

He appeared on her television show and the miracle is recorded in her biography.

He was examined by a group of 7 cardiologists who had no explanation.

There is a newspaper interview with him by the "African American" from 1973 on the internet.

On the google seach put" kathryn Kuhlman davis pacemaker disappears."

But I mentioned completely healed cases serious cases of cerebral palsy, or multiple sclerosis, not heart disease. I doubt that you can produce even one single case.

"No explanation" does not necessarily have anything to do with a particular God since people from many religions claim miracle healings. Even some atheists have had healings that doctors have no explanation for, and even wild animals have such experiences.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So for an "unsaved" person, what sort of sex they engage in is irrelevant to the fate of their soul?

If you consider eternity in hell irrelevant

But they're already getting an eternity in Hell for being unsaved, righy?

Based on what you said, an unsaved guy who only ever has "approved" sex will spend eternity in Hell, and an unsaved guy who spends his life in one big orgy will also get eternity in Hell.

Their punishments are the same, which means that the difference in their actions doesn't earn any EXTRA punishment.

But they CAN repent, right?

So... when we unpack everything, it turns out that in your view, homosexuality doesn't actually cause harm most of the time; the only people who would suffer anything mire because of it is a very narrow category of people: "saved" people who engage in same-sex sexual acts but don't repent before they die.

Youve got to be kidding

My take on things flows logically from what you've said. Do you want to rethink your position?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

You know what the funny thing is? I asked for his help for years. Nothing.

I step away from Christanity and BAM I had 2 messages in the span of like a month haha.

What did you find so compelling about these messages if you didn't actually heed them?

 

[allright]

But I mentioned completely healed cases of serious cases of cerebral palsy, or multiple sclerosis, not heard disease. I doubt that you can produce even one single case.

"No explanation" does not necessarily have anything to do with a particular God since people from many religions claim miracle healings. Even some atheists have had healings that doctors have no explanation for, and even wild animals have such experiences.

Do they have a metal pacemaker disappear from inside their body.

There is a case of a woman healed from multiple sclerosis in her biography "Daughter of Destiny"

 

[Agnostic75]

A man named George Davis visited a Kathryn Kuhlman service in 1973.

After she prayed for him his heart was healed, the incission scar from a pacemaker being placed in his chest disappeared and the pacemaker disappeared from inside his body

He appeared on her television show and the miracle is recorded in her biography.

He was examined by a group of 7 cardiologists who had no explanation.

There is a newspaper interview with him by the "African American" from 1973 on the internet.

On the google seach put" Kathryn Kuhlman davis pacemaker disappears."

"No explanation" does not necessarily have anything to do with a particular God since people from many religions claim miracle healings. Even some atheists have had healings that doctors have no explanation for, and even wild animals have such experiences.

Generally, people who practice good nutrition have the best health, regardless of their world view.

 

[allright]

But they're already getting an eternity in Hell for being unsaved, righy?

Based on what you said, an unsaved guy who only ever has "approved" sex will spend eternity in Hell, and an unsaved guy who spends his life in one big orgy will also get eternity in Hell.

Their punishments are the same, which means that the difference in their actions doesn't earn any EXTRA punishment.

The Bible says their are degrees of punishment


My take on things flows logically from what you've said. Do you want to rethink your position?[/quote]

You dont understand salvation.

 

[Agnostic75]

A man named George Davis visited a Kathryn Kuhlman service in 1973.

After she prayed for him his heart was healed, the incission scar from a pacemaker being placed in his chest disappeared and the pacemaker disappeared from inside his body

He appeared on her television show and the miracle is recorded in her biography.

He was examined by a group of 7 cardiologists who had no explanation.

There is a newspaper interview with him by the "African American" from 1973 on the internet.

On the google seach put" Kathryn Kuhlman davis pacemaker disappears."

"No explanation" does not necessarily have anything to do with a particular God since people from many religions claim miracle healings. Even some atheists have had healings that doctors have no explanation for, and even wild animals have such experiences.

Generally, people who practice good nutrition have the best health, regardless of their world view.

 

[McBell]

A man named George Davis visited a Kathryn Kuhlman service in 1973.
After she prayed for him his heart was healed, the incission scar from a pacemaker being placed in his chest disappeared and the pacemaker disappeared from inside his body
He appeared on her television show and the miracle is recorded in her biography.
He was examined by a group of 7 cardiologists who had no explanation
There is a newspaper interview with him by the "African American" from 1973 on the internet.
On the google seach put" kathryn Kuhlman davis pacemaker disappears"
Its the first article from the search

Nice text book "god of the gaps" presentation.

 

[sojourner]

Do they have a metal pacemaker disappear from inside their body.

There is a case of a woman healed from multiple sclerosis in her biography "Daughter of Destiny"

So what? Since homosexuality isn't a disease or a malformation, or an abnormal condition, there's nothing to be healed from.

 

[Agnostic75]

Message to KingOfTheJungle, and allright:

Consider the following claims:

1. Creationism is true.

2. A global flood occurred.

3. The earth is young.

Which of those claims do you believe are true?

 

[allright]

Message to KingOfTheJungle, and allright:

Which of the following claims do you believe are true?:

1. Creationism is true.

Please define creationism

2. A global flood occurred.

I do not believe the flood was global. I believe Genesis is describing a flood over a specific area.

3. The earth is young.[/quote]

Define young

 

[Agnostic75]

Please define creationism.

For purposes of this thread, the belief that God created Adam and Eve as the first humans, with no genetic predecessors, and that chimps and humans do not share a common ancestor.

The vast majority of scientists believe that chimps and humans share a common ancestor.

 

[Agnostic75]

A man named George Davis visited a Kathryn Kuhlman service in 1973.

After she prayed for him his heart was healed, the incission scar from a pacemaker being placed in his chest disappeared and the pacemaker disappeared from inside his body.

He appeared on her television show and the miracle is recorded in her biography.

He was examined by a group of 7 cardiologists who had no explanation.

There is a newspaper interview with him by the "African American" from 1973 on the internet.

On the google seach put" Kathryn Kuhlman davis pacemaker disappears."

"No explanation" does not necessarily have anything to do with a particular God since people from many religions claim miracle healings. Even some atheists have had healings that doctors have no explanation for, and even wild animals have such experiences.

 

[allright]

For purposes of this thread, the belief that God created Adam and Eve as the first humans, with no genetic predecessors, and that chimps and humans do not share a common ancestor.

The vast majority of scientists believe that chimps and humans share a common ancestor.

Yes Adam and Eve were specifically created by God with no human ancestors

Genesis 1 and 2 are describing different events

As John the Baptist said 'God is able to turn these stones into children of Abraham"

 

[Storm]

Define an expert

I'd go with "professional."

Im taking about God changing people, not some reparative therapy. Whatever that is its not in the Bible

He hasn't changed me, or any of the queers I know.

A man named George Davis visited a Kathryn Kuhlman service in 1973.
After she prayed for him his heart was healed, the incission scar from a pacemaker being placed in his chest disappeared and the pacemaker disappeared from inside his body
He appeared on her television show and the miracle is recorded in her biography.
He was examined by a group of 7 cardiologists who had no explanation
There is a newspaper interview with him by the "African American" from 1973 on the internet.
On the google seach put" kathryn Kuhlman davis pacemaker disappears"
Its the first article from the search

Uh huh. Got any hard evidence for this story?