Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[Agnostic75]

It is what the sex organs were actually designed for.......

Why did the designer design the entire species of bonobo monkeys to be bi-sexual? Why do thousands of species of animals and birds practice homosexuality?

What do you suggest that homosexuals do about their homosexuality?

 

[sojourner]

Again, you were incredibly insulting and reduced women to objects. All women. Not a consenting partner who likes being treated in a certain way.

Never mind that your argument is stupid because of dildos and vibrators and other sex toys that are far larger than any actual penis. But the concept that women should have sex with other women until they find their one true man to save themselves for that one true man and protect their vaginas from "wear and tear" is disgusting.

And no, you brought it up in this thread so it's staying here.

Misogyny is another sickness (like slavery and racism) that can be read into the biblical texts. I've heard some of these same people who hold the texts so dear also promote both slavery and racism on this forum, in the name of "the bible says it, so it must be good." It's egregious, and must be named and condemned. Thank you for doing so.

 

[sojourner]

Also, I love how it's about the woman's purity. The guy doesn't need to avoid wear and tear, or keep his purity. He's going to have sex with the women and then call them sluts for it.

You know, business as usual, right? Since we're just making wild blanket assumptions.

Well, the bible is "all about the man," you know, so misogyny must be OK.:thud:

 

[sojourner]

First off, the distance from "it's said that..." to rumour or old wive's tale is pretty damn short.

Second, if we're engaging in specious generalizations, how about this one: plenty of men are insecure about how they "measure up" in bed. If you think you're a below average lover compared to most men, then your odds of being seen favourably by your partner decrease as the number of men she can compare you against goes up. Women aren't dummies; they can pick up on this.

The worst lover in the world can still be the best man his partner's ever had if she's never been with anyone else. OTOH, he probably knows full well that if his partner's been with a hundred other men, then he ranks 100 out of 100.

OTOH, if a man is confident about his love-making, then the number of men his partner has been with before doesn't matter. He can approach things from the mindset of "you've tried the rest... now try the best."

IMO, this whole notion of "female purity" is just a repackaged version of male insecurity. IOW, it's a polished turd.

Isn't the "purity" argument kind of like saying that "most women don't want a penis that's been mutilated by circumcision?"

 

[allright]

Mayor Bloomberg warns people not to drink soda because it will harm their health

Therefore Mayor Bloomberg is a bigot who hates people who drink soda

 

[sojourner]

Why did Judaism come into this?

You're just justifying misogyny. What is way more attractive than a man who is only confident because his partner is less experienced than he is is a man who is confident for who he is no matter what. Same for a woman.

Your confidence is pyrite, the other guy's is gold.

And at least Orthodox Jews demand purity from both men and women. It's repressive but equally so. In theory at least. Again why did you feel it necessary to go there.

Funny thing: Anyone here notice how the thread started out with the issue of gay bashing, and now it's progressed to woman bashing? Anyone other than me see a pattern here? This isn't about biblical injunction AT ALL. It's about hatred and sexual control. And both are being hidden behind "biblical values" in a most cowardly way.

Whenever someone objectifies someone else based upon a physical or personality trait, and claims that the person is, somehow, "dirty," or "wrong," or "less than the rest of us," it's hatred.

If you speak out against homosexuality, it's hatred. If you speak out against freedom and equality of sexual expression between the sexes, it's hatred. Even if you believe you're justified in doing so by the biblical text.

Hatred of fellow people is simply not promoted as a biblical value, as it relates to this time and place.

 

[sojourner]

It is what the sex organs were actually designed for so I think there is at least some merit to the argument. I think this little fact gets lost sometimes in a culture that views these organs primarily as toys.

No there isn't any "merit" to it at all. sex is sex. It's about the opening of oneself to intimate contact. It's like the fundy mother of a homosexual friend of mine: She was horrified about his being homosexual, until she learned that he didn't engage in anal sex. That made it OK, because, after all, he isn't "really gay."

Sex is sex is sex.

 

[Dingbat]

Mayor Bloomberg warns people not to drink soda because it will harm their health

Therefore Mayor Bloomberg is a bigot who hates people who drink soda

What?

 

[sojourner]

Mayor Bloomberg warns people not to drink soda because it will harm their health

Therefore Mayor Bloomberg is a bigot who hates people who drink soda

And this has ... what, again, to do with the discussion at hand? One can only hope that you're not so misinformed as to suggest that normal homosexual relations are, somehow [stifles a laugh], harmful??

 

[allright]

And this has ... what, again, to do with the discussion at hand? One can only hope that you're not so misinformed as to suggest that normal homosexual relations are, somehow [stifles a laugh], harmful??

Unrepentant sex outside the man woman marriage relationship is harmful if someones considers spending eternity in hell a bad thing

Homosexual relations can never be "normal" The human body wasnt designed that way

 

[Storm]

Mayor Bloomberg warns people not to drink soda because it will harm their health

Therefore Mayor Bloomberg is a bigot who hates people who drink soda

The difference being, he's got more to go on than antiquated purity laws, making your analogy rather pathetic.

 

[Storm]

Unrepentant sex outside the man woman marriage relationship is harmful if someones considers spending eternity in hell a bad thing

Prove there's a hell, and we'll talk. You might want to start by proving there's life after death at all.

Homosexual relations can never be "normal" The human body wasnt designed that way

Wrong on both counts.

 

[Dingbat]

Unrepentant sex outside the man woman marriage relationship is harmful if someones considers spending eternity in hell a bad thing

Homosexual relations can never be "normal" The human body wasnt designed that way

Define normal.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Unrepentant sex outside the man woman marriage relationship is harmful if someones considers spending eternity in hell a bad thing

If someone isn't "saved", would refraining from sex outside man-woman marriage male them less helbound?

If someone is "saved" and they engage in sex outside marriage, would this void their salvation?

 

[Agnostic75]

We are waiting for opponents of homosexuality to explain why God designed the entire species of bonobo monkeys to be bi-sexual, and to state what they recommend that homosexuals do about their homosexuality.

Lots of heterosexuals eat lots of greasy foods. Is the human body designed to function well from eating lots of greasy foods? Obviously not. So, is eating lots of greasy foods sinful? If not, why not? Doesn't God want Christians to care good care of their bodies?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

We are waiting for opponents of homosexuality to explain why God designed the entire species of bonobo monkeys to be bi-sexual, and to state what they recommend that homosexuals do about their homosexuality.

This just isn't that compelling of a question. Do you really think the animal kingdom provides a model of human behavior? Or do you only use it as a model when it comes to behaviors that you wish to justify?

 

[allright]

If someone isn't "saved", would refraining from sex outside man-woman marriage male them less helbound?

No Everyone is a sinner and needs to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Trying to be sinless is hopeless, even if one suceeds in a certain area from the outward act

If someone is "saved" and they engage in sex outside marriage, would this void their salvation?

Yes if they dont repent.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes if they dont repent.

I asked two questions and you only gave one answer.

 

[Storm]

I asked two questions and you only gave one answer.

No, the other is inside your quote box. I hate when people do that.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, the other is inside your quote box. I hate when people do that.

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