Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[fantome profane]

Your right, It was a reception, however I still stand firm that it is wrong, that christians are forced to comply with what is against their beliefs. granted they may have signed some waver and complied with said laws of state, which was their mistake imho.

Just to clarify so we all understand your position here. You are saying that it is against your religion, and against the religion of the inn keepers, to serve food to gay people. Is that what you are saying? You think an inn, or a resturant should have the right to refuse to serve people just because they are gay? Is that your position? I don't want to put words in your mouth, I just want clarification.

 

[Lady B]

Just to clarify so we all understand your position here. You are saying that it is against your religion, and against the religion of the inn keepers, to serve food to gay people. Is that what you are saying? You think an inn, or a resturant should have the right to refuse to serve people just because they are gay? Is that your position? I don't want to put words in your mouth, I just want clarification.

No This is not my stand at all. My stand is that Christian leaders should not be forced to perform weddings for same sex marriages when it is strictly forbidden in scripture. I misread the article and thought that was the case here. It was not and I do not agree in discrimination as far as facilties or food serving. I can clearly see how this couple was being discriminating now and I apoligized for not reading the article correctly beofre submitting it to you.:sorry1:

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

No This is not my stand at all. My stand is that Christian leaders should not be forced to perform weddings for same sex marriages when it is strictly forbidden in scripture.

I'm curious. When has this ever happened? There are plenty of Christian leaders who will willing perform the ceremony so there is no need for force or disagreement. The myth of forcing Churches to perform weddings against there will is nothing but smoke and mirrors from the religious right.

 

[fantome profane]

No This is not my stand at all. My stand is that Christian leaders should not be forced to perform weddings for same sex marriages when it is strictly forbidden in scripture. I misread the article and thought that was the case here. It was not and I do not agree in discrimination as far as facilties or food serving. I can clearly see how this couple was being discriminating now and I apoligized for not reading the article correctly beofre submitting it to you.:sorry1:

Understood and thank you for the clarification.

So as it turns out your link is the perfect example of the kind of discrimination I was referring to earlier.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

What's the fun of being Christian if you have to be Christlike?

 

[Lady B]

Just to clarify so we all understand your position here. You are saying that it is against your religion, and against the religion of the inn keepers, to serve food to gay people. Is that what you are saying? You think an inn, or a resturant should have the right to refuse to serve people just because they are gay? Is that your position? I don't want to put words in your mouth, I just want clarification.

To go further in clarification, It is not against the bible to love one another, serving one another and caring for their needs. However The church must take a firm stnd against what the Bible deems as sin, and not in any way support sin. doesn't mean a gay man should be shunned by the church, He just should never see justification for his sexual preferences in God's word and the believers.

It saddens me really that the gay community sees christians as hateful homophobes, It really is not the case. Yes Christians must hold on to their beliefs if they feel it is indeed God's laws, which we do. The church does not need to comform to any man's desires and we will not, to do so would be against a holy God who instituted marriage between a man and a woman.

This is not hateful, this is love. whether we as a people agree in the sin nature of homosexuality or not, If we truly care for our fellow man, we should always uphold truth as we know it and not give in to men and their desires of the flesh. Unfortuanatly truth has become subjective for many, but for Christians it is objectively the word of God, The Bible.

I am not a homophobe by any means. I do not hate and I do not wish anyone ill will. I would not discriminate them, and I would sit and share a meal and love them. I just would not tell them what they are doing is Godly, and I would never perform a wedding ceremony. I can't Go against God knowingly and willingly even for my relative whom I love so much.

 

[R34L1TY]

Sorry guys, I should have put minority. This thread comes from my experience with the Christian Faith. I used to be a Christian which is why I targeted that audience.

I appologize for using the word "Majority" I truely meant "Minority."

Very interesting conversations in this thread, sorry to interrupt.

 

[Super Universe]

I'm sorry..... out of time....... must come back on this....

But briefly: Any Christians who are effeminate (males?) fornicators, adulterers (that includes divorcees remarrying?), abusers of themselves(!), homosexuals, envious, drunkards and a whole load more.. are clearly not following the guidance (demands?) of Paul's letters.

And any Christians who are not complying exactly with the laws of Leviticus are clearly in breech of Matthew 5/18.

So........ what percentage of Christians are true to the above? 1%? 5%? Any? There is no 'Church of Jesus without Paul', or 'without the old laws' but there are masses of Christians out there who feel this way.

It's called Christianity, not Paulianity.

Paul's not in charge.

 

[Onkara]

It's called Christianity, not Paulianity.

Paul's not in charge.

Can we overlook or cherry pick on Paul's writings?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Can we overlook or cherry pick on Paul's writings?

Certainly.

 

[Onkara]

Certainly.

And still remain true Christians and attend any Church along side others, I mean?

 

[Super Universe]

Can we overlook or cherry pick on Paul's writings?

Don't all people cherry pick everything as it is? Who stones those who violate the Sabbath, does anyone? Even the Jews don't.

For me, being a Christian is about doing my best to follow the teachings of Christ. It's not about following what any preacher says, it's not about following the Old Testament, and it's certainly not about following Paul or John.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

And still remain true Christians and attend any Church along side others, I mean?

Certainly.

 

[Onkara]

For me, being a Christian is about doing my best to follow the teachings of Christ. It's not about following what any preacher says, it's not about following the Old Testament, and it's certainly not about following Paul or John.

Thanks, that is what I am inquiring (I know man can cherry pick) but I don't know to what extent it would be permissible as a Christian and still be considered a true Christian by others. Again, I know that is subjective, I am looking for some guidelines (if they exist).

 

[Onkara]

Certainly.

Are you familiar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church? I wonder if you can if so, because if I were to reject some of Paul's teachings would I be in contrast to the CCC? For example if I don't see homosexuality as a sin because Jesus never taught that explicitly.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Thanks, that is what I am inquiring (I know man can cherry pick) but I don't know to what extent it would be permissible as a Christian and still be considered a true Christian by others. Again, I know that is subjective, I am looking for some guidelines (if they exist).

There is no such thing as a true Christian, at least not an accepted understanding of the term. Catholics don't consider Protestants to be true Christians and vice versa. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are not considered to be true Christians by anyone but themselves. As a Unitarian Christian I'm considered a Heretic and not a true Christian by many but that doesn't change the fact that I consider myself a Christian and that's all the truly matters.

 

[Alceste]

Yes, and they are wrong, but that doesn´t mean they "hate" gays. They are against homosexuality, that is without question.

It´s like me saying you hate your friends if I find out you disagree with them on something. It is a non sequitor.

That's like saying they're against elevated quantities of melanin in the skin, but they don't "hate" black people.

I think it's splitting hairs trying to differentiate whether the anti-gay camp discriminates against them because of "hate" or a "philosophical dispute". Either way the target is people who are being discriminated against solely on the basis of who they are on a fundamental level that they cannot change. The result is the same for homosexuals, whatever word you use to describe the sentiment.

Edited to add that I don't feel much sympathy for anti-gay Christians whose feelings are hurt by being described as haters, given their own choices in describing homosexuals and homosexuality.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Are you familiar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church? I wonder if you can if so, because if I were to reject some of Paul's teachings would I be in contrast to the CCC? For example if I don't see homosexuality as a sin because Jesus never taught that explicitly.

No, I'm not.

 

[Onkara]

There is no such thing as a true Christian, at least not an accepted understanding of the term. Catholics don't consider Protestants to be true Christians and vice versa. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are not considered to be true Christians by anyone but themselves. As a Unitarian Christian I'm considered a Heretic and not a true Christian by many but that doesn't change the fact that I consider myself a Christian and that's all the truly matters.

Thanks Trey. I am asking the wrong questions in that case it seems. I should perhaps ask which denomination is liberal and doesn't have a stance on homosexuality, abortion, mastrubation as bad and all that jazz.

I should stop here, as I am on a tangent from the OP and I don't think there is an easy answer to this question either. I guess it is down to lots of research.

PS No problem re Catechism, thanks.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Thanks Trey. I am asking the wrong questions in that case it seems. I should perhaps ask which denomination is liberal and doesn't have a stance on homosexuality, abortion, mastrubation as bad and all that jazz.

I should stop here, as I am on a tangent from the OP and I don't think there is an easy answer to this question either. I guess it is down to lots of research.

PS No problem re Catechism, thanks.

Actually, I think its relevant to the OP. Unitarian Universalists are often the clergy that preside over same sex marriages. Methodists are fairly liberal as well. Believe it or not, Baptists have some rogue churches out there that are very liberal. When I marched in a Pride Parade in Houston with our UU Church there were a couple dozen other churches with either banners or floats marching, all in support of same sex marriage.