Humanistheart
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If these angels were mindless how did satan rebell?
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Christians: Why doesn't Satan repent?
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If these angels were mindless how did satan rebell?
McBell
Unbound
Satan/Serpen/Devil are just the name meaning "survival of the fittest attitude."
The Beast in the Bible means "the Law of Justice gone bad." We honor it because we see the value of justice, but when something like Capitalism gets legalized, it legal pauperises the whole 3d world. Thats how the beast gets his power, legaly.
The False Prophet is of course the one telling lies, tricks ect. Today he controles the Media as was predicted in the Bible. He teaches false profit, mean capitalism.
The Beast in the Bible means "the Law of Justice gone bad." We honor it because we see the value of justice, but when something like Capitalism gets legalized, it legal pauperises the whole 3d world. Thats how the beast gets his power, legaly.
The False Prophet is of course the one telling lies, tricks ect. Today he controles the Media as was predicted in the Bible. He teaches false profit, mean capitalism.
John D
Spiritsurfer
I wonder what the followers of the Lefthand Path will say about a suggestion like this. It will mean that their whole belief structure will fall apart.
Or am I wrong in asuming this.
zeddiamond
New Member
You silly man!
I shall explain to everyone the truth you misguided man! GOD (ALLAH) created what we call a jinn(a spirit made of smokeless fire). This particular jinn was gods favourite as he was very close to god and probably the closest to reach god! This jinn refused to bow to adam n we all know roughly the story from there! Now, the most important thing u need to know is satan is not even close to being equal to god nor is he the innocent little girl u think he is! ! Main thing is FORGET the Bible and the torah/talmud and any other book! Why? Because every single book has been edited, scriptures have been replaced, pages torn out and this is all done by a secret society within a secret society! They worship satan as their creator n will spend eternity in hell! They have been decieved by satan who has led them to believe he is god! Now, I respect all books but what people NEED to know is that in Islam, the quran wasn't our book - the bible was first, it got edited by the devil worshippers (who were once again decieved by satan n as a result will go to hell) then God sent the second book which was the torah, the devil made people rebel n edit it so people would be so confused that they would believe God is a fairytale. The third book was the Holy Quran which even a word hasn't been edited! Now even if the quran gets wiped out of existence it doesn't matter bcoz so many muslims know it by heart - the devil hasn't a chance, does he? You must understand if u got ANY question the Quran has the answer! The devil has caused so many misconceptions that people do not know what to believe n they feel lost so they don't believe!
THE biggest misconception is that jesus died on a cross - ********! Jesus was taken up to god till his return as the saviour when the anti-christ gets his *** kicked by a special man named (imam) al-mehdi. Any other questions querries feel fee to reply! One more thing I have YET to find an unanswered question about anything important in the Holy Quran!
They werent mindless.
The angels have free will just like humans do.
Thus the reason why they could choose for themselves to either serve God or serve themselves.
McBell
Unbound
You contradict yourself.
Perhaps you should go get your story straight and come back and try again?
godnotgod
Thou art That
Neither does God, because it is all just a Big Act staged by both God and the Devil. Long before the Creation, The Devil and God made a Secret Pact that it would all be just like it is. In other words, they agreed to create a Show so convincing, so realistic, that mankind would be on the edge of their seats, totally convinced that what they were witnessing was absolutely real.
"Tweedledeedee and Tweedledeedum agreed to have a battle."
That is how good the the Devil
is at the expert craft of Shape-Shifting, you see. :nightcraw::tribal:
So, if you come face to face with old Beelzebub himself, do not run; do not be afraid. Instead, compliment him on the quality of his illusion. He will be flattered.:yes:
"Satan, old pal, you are doing an exemplary job! Could'a fooled a bloke like me...heh...heh"
"Oh, think nothing of it", he will say, embarrassed, "but I do think it rather clever, don't you?":clap
"The green wolf, with his bunch of red roses, is slinking away.....
...all on a Summer's Day":run:
At the end of it all, there will not be what you imagine; a polarized Heaven and a polarized Hell, but Satan and God coming onstage to take a bow together.
:seesaw:
Because the interplay of Good and Evil is all just a Grand Illusion, you should not become entangled in its trappings by trying to stick to one while avoiding the other. It will get you every time. Just sit quietly, exactly between the two and watch, without getting involved. Then you can have a ringside seat, popcorn included.
opcorn: That is not to say you should'nt have compassion for those who suffer.
Now, some of mankind has decided to get involved in the drama, and have become so identified with the character they are playing, that they have forgotten who they really are, and that it is just an act. In fact, they are so convinced that it is real, that if you remind them of it, they will protest. That, too, is part of the act! Why, just look at Christians. When you remind them that they are divine, they will object with such false humility as to make the Devil blush.
"Oh, no, no, no! Why..I could NEVER be GOD! That would be BLASHPHEMY! Heaven forbid! Why, you don't think for one moment that such a wretch as I would dare to want to sit on the Lord's Throne, now, do you? Well? Do you?"
Uh, huh!:yes:
"Shall I, a mere gnat, which danceth in Thy Ray, DARE to be reverent?"
You may have seen statues of the Buddha, one hand held up, palm facing outward. This is called a mudra. What the Buddha is saying is:
"Fear not. What you are witnessing, as horrific as it may seem, is all just One Big Act."
We all know that Jesus, the Personification of Absolute Goodness, will sit at the Right Hand of God the Father. Now who do you suppose will sit at his LEFT Hand? Hmmmmm? Yaw!
But, then again, that, too, is all just One Big Act, that is going on within your own mind. In reality, there is no Devil! He is just a concoction of the mind. You make him real by believing in him. First, you create a concept of Evil, based upon a concept of The Good. Then you personify both Good and Evil in the forms of Jesus and Satan, creating them as "others" separate from yourself. The Christian world is anticipating a Huge Kosmic Klash betwixt the Forces of Light, led by Generalisimo Jeezuz Christ, against the Forces of Darkness, headed by Maestro Satan himself.
Get into your Buddha seat and grab a bag of popcorn. It's gonna be a Super Spectacular Extravaganza, folks!
Now you know.
"Oh, Lord, let not my gaze be too high or too low, but fixed on that thin line of the horizon that separates Heaven from Earth."
Sufi saying
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chuck010342
Active Member
why doesn't Satan repent? I don't know why don't you ask him?
JTFC
Member
Satan, AKA Lucifer, made his choice of putting his needs before God and believing that he could surpass God even when God gave him special privilages as a high angel. Now, to answer your question, he could repent but he has no intent of doing it now or even in the distant future. He is a very stubborn being that want's everything his way even though he knows that he can't ever have it. In a way, he stooped to the lowest level possible and it would take much on his part to get out, however. Also in a way, he is needed to counterbalance the very existence of the universe with God: God being the Good Part and Satan being the Evil Part.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Oh, but he will not only have it, but will have it in abundance! That is to say, if numbers are any indication of victory, the Lion's Share of souls goes to Satan, while only a chosen few who follow the straight and narrow will be deserving of a place in Heaven. The overwhelming multitude of humanity will find themselves writhing in eternal agony in the pit of Hell. Satan wins via having the best looking tantanlizing temptations to lure his innocent victims by the droves.
Ha! The great mass of humanity going to Hell is hardly a "counterbalance"! 'Counterbalance' in relation to what? It was God himself, according to Christian doctrine, that created everything in the first place, Evil included. It was the diabolical Christian God himself who knowingly and maliciously crafted the plan to tempt Adam and Eve with a Fruit so succulent and irresistible, and yet deadly and fatal, as to cause their downfall in just one incident, without recourse, surely a heavy price to pay for the innocent bite of one Fruit! This, the plan of a devious and Evil mind, for sure!
All efforts at being "Good" only serve to create imbalance in the Universe, since, as a Uni-verse per se that is everything, it is already in balance. The Universe is neither Good nor Evil, both of which are moralistic superimpositions overlaid onto a natural and amoral system. Forcing the Universe to be morally "Good" is what causes the imbalance in the first place, simply because it is The Good that must now fight Evil, which it has created, by the dictates and standards of The Good.
Therefore, the wise never attempt to do moral Good, contrary to what men think.
"Resist not, Evil"
Jesus
However, true goodness comes as a result of their doing nothing, as a result of thier innate Virtuousnes:
True virtue does not display itself.
Therefore it is virtuous.
Superficial virtue always makes a show of itself.
Therefore it has no virtue.
True virtue does not act
And has no intentions.
Superficial virtue acts
And always has ulterior motive....
The moralist acts, and if you don't respond
They will roll up their sleeves and threaten you.
excerpted from Tao te Ching
"The sage keeps the jade close to his heart"
Lao tze
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benjaminvende
New Member
why you say that...
2nd mouse
Member
Lucifer became so impressed with his own beauty and wisdom that he determined that he wanted to have some of the glory God was getting. It's really the height of arrogance don't you think? The creature demanding the same respect and honor as the one who created him, not to mention everything else that exists. God booted Lucifer out of his presence and changed his name to Satan.
He is not able to repent because God doesn't offer that to angels.
Satan knows full well he cannot defeat God. So his plan is to hurt God by taking as many of us with him to hell as possible. It's the full expression of misery loves company.
He is not able to repent because God doesn't offer that to angels.
Satan knows full well he cannot defeat God. So his plan is to hurt God by taking as many of us with him to hell as possible. It's the full expression of misery loves company.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
What reason does Satan have to repent? Repentance only comes to mind when one feels anguish and contrition as a result of one's own wrongdoing. But Satan is feeling no such anguish. On the contrary, he has an entire Domain to himself, with plenty of souls to torture for an entire eternity. He is quite happy and contented. He knows that God is not going to destroy him; that he will live on forever and forever; that he himself has been granted the gift of eternal life. He has 100% job security in place, as God has personally appointed him Grand Torturer of The UnRepentant Sinner. He gets the pure, diabolical pleasure, sanctioned by God, to run you through with a white hot flaming sword over and over and over again and again for all eternity. God needs him in place to mete out Punishment for the Condemned. After all, it is he who sits at the LEFT hand of the Father, does he not? Why should he repent at all? That is laughable.
Gee. There must be some other reason for the existence of Satan. Hmmmmm? Could God and Satan possibly have some poker-faced Secret Pact in place that we don't know about as mere mortals? That, the ony way we can become privvy to the Secret of Secrets is to give up the orthodox story as we have come to know it? To give up all concepts of Good vs. Evil, with a new understanding and vision which shows us how the two are inextricably inter-connected, and, once seen and understood, points to the facade that they are pitted one against the other in eternal warfare, in the personifications of Jesus and Satan? That the facade is fully intentional, with the express purpose of deception, as a product of God's own sense of Divine Playfullness? That, in fact, it is all just One Big Act?
Come now. Do you honestly think an entity as intelligent and developed as God actually means it when He says he will punish you so thoroughly for the mere act of Disobedience? That is not the mind of God, but the mind of immature man; man who has not yet transcended the rational mind. It is, in fact, the mind of The Moralist who still clings to the duality of Good vs. Evil. No real God would be caught dead who actually thinks of such a conflict as REAL. He would be taken in by his own delusion. A real God is one who does not take himself seriously, and who would never demand such strict obedience coupled with such dire consequences. He knows that such a demand can only result in Dis-obedience. Only a fool would actually believe such a demand be taken seriously. To continue to cling to such an idea is to cling to the form rather than to the essence, and, as we all know, form never stays the same.
Gee. There must be some other reason for the existence of Satan. Hmmmmm? Could God and Satan possibly have some poker-faced Secret Pact in place that we don't know about as mere mortals? That, the ony way we can become privvy to the Secret of Secrets is to give up the orthodox story as we have come to know it? To give up all concepts of Good vs. Evil, with a new understanding and vision which shows us how the two are inextricably inter-connected, and, once seen and understood, points to the facade that they are pitted one against the other in eternal warfare, in the personifications of Jesus and Satan? That the facade is fully intentional, with the express purpose of deception, as a product of God's own sense of Divine Playfullness? That, in fact, it is all just One Big Act?
Come now. Do you honestly think an entity as intelligent and developed as God actually means it when He says he will punish you so thoroughly for the mere act of Disobedience? That is not the mind of God, but the mind of immature man; man who has not yet transcended the rational mind. It is, in fact, the mind of The Moralist who still clings to the duality of Good vs. Evil. No real God would be caught dead who actually thinks of such a conflict as REAL. He would be taken in by his own delusion. A real God is one who does not take himself seriously, and who would never demand such strict obedience coupled with such dire consequences. He knows that such a demand can only result in Dis-obedience. Only a fool would actually believe such a demand be taken seriously. To continue to cling to such an idea is to cling to the form rather than to the essence, and, as we all know, form never stays the same.
Thats if you believe in hell.
Can you please show the Scripture where it says that people will be writhing in agony in hell?
Also where in the Old Testament does it say that people go to heaven? Only in the New Testament does it say that! The reson for that? because the bible says that 144000 people will rule in heaven as kings and priests during hte 1000 year millenial reign. THe rest of humans who get ressurected or live through Armageddon live here on the earth.
Which scripture says that God created evil?
IF you actually read the acocunt in Genesis, God is shown telling them that if they eat the fruit they will die. He warned them. He gave them everything that they needed and wanted for life. THey chose to listen to Satan. THey were decieved by "the father of the lie"(John 8:44) They had EVERLASTING LIFE and let it go for the sake of knowing hte differance between good and bad and in letting it go, bred into us Sin and death, which we then have the ransom from Jesus for this.
John 8:44
YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]
it was not that Satan was created evil, it is that he didnt stand fast with the truth he knew. He chose to do what he did in tempting Adam and Eve.
Also God cannot lie (Titus 1:1-2) and the bible is his word. So anything that seems like a contradiction or lie from it, you then need to look into the scriptures and see if it comes from there or not. If it doesnt it comes from men and then I refer you to the above scripture
Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ according to the faith of Gods chosen ones and the accurate knowledge of the truth which accords with godly devotion upon the basis of a hope of the everlasting life which God, who cannot lie, promised before times long lasting
Then there is the fact that God does not actually commit the evil himself. He didnt create it and he does not commit it. he will not actually test people with evil. (James 1:13-15) That is what Satan likes to do. Not God.
James 1:13-15)
When under trial, let no one say: I am being tried by God. For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death
Desire was Satans downfall and the same with Adam and Eve and any others through the bibles history who were tried and fell. They did not know that God does not allow you to be tested beyond what you can bear because the truth of God was not in them
1 Cor 10:13
No temptation has taken YOU except what is common to men. But God is faithful, and he will not let YOU be tempted beyond what YOU can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out in order for YOU to be able to endure it.
Genesis 1:21
And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God got to see that [it was] good.
He did not see that his creation was a perfect balance, but that it was GOOD.
Romans 12:21
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good
Why would it say to conquer good with evil if there was no such thing in hte universe?
Finish the rest of hte quote.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth
Proverbs 2:1-9
My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself, so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God. For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment. And for the upright ones he will treasure up practical wisdom; for those walking in integrity he is a shield, by observing the paths of judgment, and he will guard the very way of his loyal ones. In that case you will understand righteousness and judgment and uprightness, the entire course of what is good
Yeah from the Tao te Ching and not the bible. I notice that you quote this in most likely its entirity and then only use a partial bible scripture. hmmmm.
One parting scripture.
Galations 5:7
Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit
godnotgod
Thou art That
I am not using scripture as a basis for my statement, but what most Christians actually believe, and that is that there is a heaven and a hell and that most people will go to hell.
Firstly, I did not say that was to be found in scripture, but in Christian doctrine. Secondly, I stated that, since Christians claim that God created everything, everything must, by definition, include evil. And thirdly, if you want scripture, which I am not referring to, In Isaiah 45:7, the prophet wrote of God: “I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.”
Now, I know you want to interpret this your way to mean something else, but the verse clearly indicates that God creates evil.
When I say that God created evil, I am referring to the scenario he creates for Adam and Eve, which can only be described as malicious and evil. The only point that God seems to want to make is that of obedience to his dictate, so much so, that he banishes his poor innocent children from Paradise for something he set up in the first place. Of course, I don't for one minute buy any of this trash, since it is a corruption of the original story by the greedy temple priests as a clever means of terrorizing their congregation into coughing up their dimes to line their pockets with.
But they did not die, so God did not mean what he said. He knew that by creating a taboo against eating the Forbidden Fruit, that Adam and Eve had no choice BUT to eat of it. How could they do otherwise? They did not stand a snowball's chance in hell, and God knew that. Or do you think God to be a fool?
Ah, but it was God who created Satan in the first place. Satan's existence was entirely dependent upon God's hand, so therefore, all that was Satan was of God, and that included his rebellious nature, his pride, and his sin. But, you see, all of this points to the fact that it was not God who wrote the Bible, but man. We are looking at a description of the mind of God as seen through the mind of man. The Bible does not reflect the mind of God. God's mind does not work in the way the Bible describes it. I can give you many examples.
"Good" can here be seen in two ways: 'good', in that it was harmonious, beautiful, and pleasing to the senses, or "morally good" as opposed to "morally evil". We can eliminate his creation as being morally good since that requires conscience, and the universe was not a living conscious entity, but a created thing, subject to the hand of God. It had no mind of its own. For the universe to be morally good, it would also necessarily need to be morally evil, since moral good is defined only in relation to moral evil. God would then have had to see that his creation was good and evil. And so, that leaves only with the idea that it was "good" in the sense that it was in balance. Having said that, I never said that it was good; I only said that it was in perfect balance, the universe actually being neither good nor bad. Those are value judgments you are superimposing over a naturally occurring system.
Because moral good is first mistakenly created out of a mental concept that something is "good". When this concept is created, its opposite, evil, is also automatically created, by default. Having created moral evil, it must now be fought, as dictated by the concept of moral good. In fighting evil, we only succeed in making evil stronger. Now we have real evil where none existed to begin with. Our current conflicts against what we see as moral evil in Iraq and Afghanistan are current examples.
That is not necessary. Jesus is saying that evil can only be addressed by requiting hatred with virtue. In other words, do only good to those who do evil against you. The implication here is that, by opposing evil, by trying to "conquer" it via force, you only achieve the opposite result.
Excuse me, but that sounds like an accusation. Where are the forum rules that I must use the Bible as a reference?
Excuse me, but the Tao te Ching is 81 chapters long, of which this is only a partial excerpt of one of them.
What? Are your udders all in a bunch that, just because something has more words to it that you are afraid it has more validity to it? That is plain silly!
No one is mocking any such God. Only foolish and cocksure men who think they know who and what God is are being mocked.
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Satan is a deceiver. He has deceived himself into believing he can Conquer Christ All Mighty.
He truly believes he will be victorious in the battle of Armageddon.
He truly believes he will be victorious in the battle of Armageddon.