Christless Christianity

[Mr Cheese]

Of course not. However, if certain Christians take a few verses literally to push their poltical moral agenda, they need to be consistent with the rest of Scripture in that form of interpertation. The Scriptures, all of it needs to be understood through the lenses of the person and work of Jesus Christ. If contemporary Christians understood this, they would be able to have more love an compassion for non-Christians.

Well I agree consistency is a good thing.....

Which is why I eat shrimp, pork, have never had sex with my neighbor's donkey and refused to seperate cheese from my meat.

I think the golden rule is everything, the rest is commentary. If one examines everything through the lense of the golden rule we can understand that:

biblical rules are a product of their time

biblical rules are often common sense (for example thou shalt not kill/murder, rather speaks for itself considerignt he social consequences and psychological ones)

morals and norms change... We no longer think women are incapable of rational thought, we no longer give women labotomies for
havign orgasms...we no longer put leeches on our legs when we have a head ache, most human beings do not deficate in the street (although untrue for places like India) etc.

What I think you're saying is, if one uses the bible to justify something, then why only follow one rule. if God does indeed "hate ****" why do the same christians eat shrimp and pork and work on the sabbath etc, the answer is, they are stupid, do not know better (ignorance) or simply don't care. There are some that actually do follow all the rules though.

 

[DallasApple]

Payback for the bloody history of the cult you follow.

You also support superstition. Superstition=bad.

I dont follow a "cult"


Love

Dallas

 

[Christless Christianity]

Well I agree consistency is a good thing.....

Which is why I eat shrimp, pork, have never had sex with my neighbor's donkey and refused to seperate cheese from my meat.

I think the golden rule is everything, the rest is commentary. If one examines everything through the lense of the golden rule we can understand that:

biblical rules are a product of their time
biblical rules are often common sense (for example thou shalt not kill/murder, rather speaks for itself considerignt he social consequences and psychological ones)
morals and norms change... We no longer think women are incapable of rational thought, we no longer give women labotomies for havign orgasms...we no longer put leeches on our legs when we have a head ache, most human beings do not deficate in the street (although untrue for places like India) etc.

What I think you're saying is, if one uses the bible to justify something, then why only follow one rule. if God does indeed "hate ****" why do the same christians eat shrimp and pork and work on the sabbath etc, the answer is, they are stupid, do not know better (ignorance) or simply don't care. There are some that actually do follow all the rules though.

Good summary of our discussion. The golden rule is within the context of Jesus answering what is the greatest commandment. The golden rule is only half of the answer. The first part is to Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, strenght, and mind, and the second is to love your neighbor as yourself (golden rule). These two commandments are just a summary of the 10 commandments. Therefore, focusing only on the golden rule is omitting the first four commandents which is our duty to God.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Even our prisoners get water.

Prison guards are obligated to provide for the care, custody, and control of inmates.

Nobody is obligated to hang out in a place they shouldn't be, waiting for people who shouldn't arrive there, to give them water they shouldn't need.

Jesus on the cross got a bit of water when He thirst by the ones in charge of overseeing His death.

They were also executing him. The water wasn't there to save his life.

I'm not talking about executing anybody... I just don't see the purpose in giving a person incentive to trespass our borders.

The person should live and be well in his own country, instead of getting himself dehydrated by crossing the border illegally.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The person should live and be well in his own country, instead of getting himself dehydrated by crossing the border illegally.

Sometimes this is simply not possible, and the risk of death with great reward beats the odds of certain misery.

 

[slave2six]

Do you think Jesus ever addressed homosexuality? The contemporary Church seems more obsessed with traditional family values, abortion and homosexuality than Christ Himself. Help me follow your thoughts about Peter, John, and Paul in regards to morality. Paul addresses the morality gospel in Romans 2. You might be surprised in what he writes about it.

Christ never addressed homosexuality - he did (reportedly) address adultery and prostitution in that he forgave the one and freed a woman from the other.

Paul has a lot to say about morality as does Peter including stuff like "people who practice such things will never enter the kingdom of God" kinds of proscriptions. Moral purity was paramount to the apostles and the early church (or was it just a mistake that Peter presided over the deaths of two people who lied about their finances?).

 

[ChristineES]

Summary (of what I heard on this thread):
Christians don't follow Jesus. Christians believe in a fantasy. Christianity is a cult. Christians deserve all the bashing they get since they cause so much misery. Christians are all hypocrites.

Did I leave anything out?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I just don't see the purpose in giving a person incentive to trespass our borders.

Then we need to close our border towns and really make it a no man's land, and not recognize children born on American soil as American citizens, and agressively enforce labor and immigration laws.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Good summary of our discussion. The golden rule is within the context of Jesus answering what is the greatest commandment. The golden rule is only half of the answer. The first part is to Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, strenght, and mind, and the second is to love your neighbor as yourself (golden rule). These two commandments are just a summary of the 10 commandments. Therefore, focusing only on the golden rule is omitting the first four commandents which is our duty to God.

I would argue the Golden rule covers our duty to God....
For if we are truly loving our "brothers" we are loving God.... IF we allow ourselves to take it to a logical conclusion.....

this is not advocating "simply being a good person"

In judaism we have the idea that everythign is composed of give and receive, or light and vessels. Through participating in this we are acting within and upon God's will, which I would argue IS the golden rule. This is why there is only the golden rule, everythign else is commentary.....

At least from my perspective

Which kinda illustrates why I have a problem with orthodox Jews who would let Mexicans dehydrate to death..but uh

 

[DallasApple]

Payback for the bloody history of the cult you follow.

You also support superstition. Superstition=bad.

How do you know?

My superstition could be better than indifferent hate filled people who wouldnt care if you got a glass of water to save your life who had NO "superstition"..

I bet you would change your mind if I was the one able to hand you a glass of water.Or one to your dying child or wife..

You would LOVE my superstitions then..

My superstion is to treat someone the way I would like to be treated.

Love

Dallas

 

[Mr Cheese]

Then we need to close our border towns and really make it a no man's land, and not recognize children born on American soil as American citizens, and agressively enforce labor and immigration laws.

Its ok, I hear they are building a wall...

Much like the emperor Hadrian....

:sarcasticAmericans obviously need to learn the history of the Roman empire

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Payback for the bloody history of the cult you follow.

You also support superstition. Superstition=bad.

Big words.

No one's history is bloodless. The Christians have the Inquisitions, the Jews and Muslims have Palestine, the atheists have Stalin...

 

[DallasApple]

Summary (of what I heard on this thread):
Christians don't follow Jesus. Christians believe in a fantasy. Christianity is a cult. Christians deserve all the bashing they get since they cause so much misery. Christians are all hypocrites.

Did I leave anything out?

UMM???

Blood baths?

Love

Dallas

 

[Christless Christianity]

Christ never addressed homosexuality - he did (reportedly) address adultery and prostitution in that he forgave the one and freed a woman from the other.

Paul has a lot to say about morality as does Peter including stuff like "people who practice such things will never enter the kingdom of God" kinds of proscriptions. Moral purity was paramount to the apostles and the early church (or was it just a mistake that Peter presided over the deaths of two people who lied about their finances?).

You know your Bible quite well! Jesus said that if we look at a woman lustfully we are an adulterous. If we are angry with someone without cause we are a murderer. Also, you are right in regards to the purification of the church, lying to the Spirit of God was not a good thing. And the Apostle Paul does discuss those who do this and that will not enter the kingdom of God. We have all done the "this and that" law breaking. Every human being (Christians and non-Christian alike) are morally impure and sinful. So, what really is the good news of God, is it Christian morality? The contemporary church seems to preach Christian morality and not the gospel of God.

 

[Christless Christianity]

Summary (of what I heard on this thread):
Christians don't follow Jesus. Christians believe in a fantasy. Christianity is a cult. Christians deserve all the bashing they get since they cause so much misery. Christians are all hypocrites.

Did I leave anything out?

Christ

 

[DallasApple]

Sometimes this is simply not possible, and the risk of death with great reward beats the odds of certain misery.

And they certaintly shouldnt die needlessly from the lack of water on purpose by those who think that is propper punishment for even attempting.

I think that is cruel.

On the other hand we could just set up sharp shooters to blow their heads of for even trying to come here and "nip' it in the bud and call it "justifiable homicide".Just dig trenches to throw their illegal bodies in and roll earth on top of it..

Are we going to shoot the children too?

Talk about blood baths..HEY blame it on the Christians..

Love

Dallas

 

[ChristineES]

Christ

Do you mean Jesus? Christ wasn't His name, as we all know.

 

[Christless Christianity]

Do you mean Jesus? Christ wasn't His name, as we all know.

Which Jesus since there are many Jesus' believed and proclaimed on this forum site.

Before Abraham "I Am".

 

[DallasApple]

What about the ones that are already here?(and got this far north in Texas)

Should I ask for their green cards and if they cant produce one shoot them in the head?

They are after all breaking the law shouldn't they die ?

I know at least 20..Maybe I should put out roach traps with poison on it with some tamales and some poisoned cervesa and just kill them.

They broke the law and are TRESPASSING on American soil! They deserve to DIE!

Love

Dallas

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Christ

It's a sin to take the Lord's name in vain.