Christless Christianity

[M O N S T E R]

Oh great..Another Christian bashing thread.

Some of the MEANEST people in my life are clearly athiest.Who HATE homosexuals and eat pork and shrimp.

Then they bash Christians ..

Love

Dallas

Payback's a *****.

 

[Poisonshady313]

I dont know..but most Mexicans are of Christian faith ..or whatever and YOU would have them die from NO WATER..Thats on purpous too.Just because they "broke the law".

Love

Dallas

Nobody crosses the border illegally by accident. They put in a tremendous effort to do something they know they shouldn't be doing.

They purposefully put themselves in that situation. They alone are responsible for preventing a most easily preventable situation.

At the sin of the golden calf, Moses instructed the Levites to go through the camp and slay those who were guilty... and they did.

They put themselves in that situation, and they suffered the consequences.

 

[logician]

Exactly what did the supposed Jesus teach that was new or unique? The golden rule had been around for a thousand years, the rest of the teachings were mostly to keep the poor satisfied with their lot, not something I particularly agree with. Certainly his teachings to spread the "gospel" that he was the only way to god was arrogant and in Jewish tradition blasphemous.

 

[DallasApple]

I wouldn't be there to see the dehydrating person because I have no business hanging around the border... and I wouldn't send anyone there because potential illegal border crossers would get the idea that it's ok to cross the border illegally.

And if someone is coming to harm me, I have no obligation to provide them with first aid care.

Too each his own..

But you as sure as hell seem to promote the ones that are there not providing first aid.That is clear.

So if "people" men women and children are "coming to harm you" you find it perfectly acceptable that they shoud die of dehydration or bleed to death.

NEVER critisize anyonone AGAIN who holds YOUR view of inhumane treatment of other human beings that holds the title of "Christian"..

Because you need to take a hard look at your self before you start judging others for exactly what you are.(pull the plank out of your eye brother)

Love

Dallas

 

[Christless Christianity]

Oh, I see it. I also see doctors who practice abortions being murdered. I see suicide bombers blowing up dozens of innocent people who have simply come together to do their shopping. I see hundreds dying unnecessarily in pilgrimages that turn into panic-stricken stampedes. I see national governments which pass laws to restrict the freedom and rights of women. I see people who shoot into gay nightclubs. I see teachers who try to burn crosses into their students' arms. I see teachers who train ten-year-old boys and intellectually disabled women to be mass murderers. I see terrorist recruiters who arrange for women to be raped in the knowledge that their families will then reject them. I see people who let their children die under prayer rather than seeking medical aid for them. I see people who extract money from the simple-minded by promising them favours in the afterlife, or healing in this one. I see blasphemy laws, and censorship, and privileging certain forms of sexual relationships and households over others.

I happen to think the best and simplest way to deal with this is to attack the root of all these issues: irrational, unjustified, superstitious belief; and to attack it aggressively with all the skill and passion at my disposal. But that's just the way I see it.

You just described "Christless Christianity".

 

[DallasApple]

Payback's a *****.

Pay back for what?

What did I do?

Love

Dallas

 

[Poisonshady313]

The God revealed in the Bible demands perfect law keeping. Scripture Cleary teaches this. It is not a debatable issue in the Bible but a clear essential teaching of the Christian Faith. If we can be reconciled to God through our own imperfect law keeping, Christ died in vain.

I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousnesswere through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. Gal 2:21

There is nothing written in the law that demands it be perfectly kept. Christian scripture is not authoritative regarding the law God gave to Israel at Sinai.

"for if righteousnesswere through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."

Ok. "Christ" died for no purpose.

 

[Mr Cheese]

The God revealed in the Bible demands perfect law keeping. Scripture Cleary teaches this. It is not a debatable issue in the Bible but a clear essential teaching of the Christian Faith. If we can be reconciled to God through our own imperfect law keeping, Christ died in vain.

I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousnesswere through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. Gal 2:21

so you believe in stoning people to death?

 

[Christless Christianity]

Exactly what did the supposed Jesus teach that was new or unique? The golden rule had been around for a thousand years, the rest of the teachings were mostly to keep the poor satisfied with their lot, not something I particularly agree with. Certainly his teachings to spread the "gospel" that he was the only way to god was arrogant and in Jewish tradition blasphemous.

God in Christ died for the ungodly to bring us to God.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Too each his own..

But you as sure as hell seem to promote the ones that are there not providing first aid.That is clear.

So if "people" men women and children are "coming to harm you" you find it perfectly acceptable that they shoud die of dehydration or bleed to death.

NEVER critisize anyonone AGAIN who holds YOUR view of inhumane treatment of other human beings that holds the title of "Christian"..

Because you need to take a hard look at your self before you start judging others for exactly what you are.(pull the plank out of your eye brother)

Love

Dallas

For centuries, Christians tortured and killed people for not believing in Jesus.

I'm talking about letting people be responsible for their actions.

 

[logician]

God in Christ died for the ungodly to bring us to God.

Good sermon for the choir, what does it have to do with anything else?

 

[DallasApple]

Nobody crosses the border illegally by accident. They put in a tremendous effort to do something they know they shouldn't be doing.

They purposefully put themselves in that situation. They alone are responsible for preventing a most easily preventable situation.

At the sin of the golden calf, Moses instructed the Levites to go through the camp and slay those who were guilty... and they did.

They put themselves in that situation, and they suffered the consequences.

I dont let people die of dehydration in my face in the name of God.

Even our prisoners get water .

Jesus on the cross got a bit of water when He thirst by the ones in charge of overseeing His death.

Love

Dallas

 

[Christless Christianity]

so you believe in stoning people to death?

Of course not. However, if certain Christians take a few verses literally to push their poltical moral agenda, they need to be consistent with the rest of Scripture in that form of interpertation. The Scriptures, all of it needs to be understood through the lenses of the person and work of Jesus Christ. If contemporary Christians understood this, they would be able to have more love and compassion for non-Christians. Many Christians live a life of looking down on unbelievers since they do not understand the basic truths of Christianity.... God died for the ungodly to bring them to God.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Exactly what did the supposed Jesus teach that was new or unique? The golden rule had been around for a thousand years, the rest of the teachings were mostly to keep the poor satisfied with their lot, not something I particularly agree with. Certainly his teachings to spread the "gospel" that he was the only way to god was arrogant and in Jewish tradition blasphemous.

I dont think anythign Jesus taught was new....

however the metaphysical concepts and realities of his existence are new, some of them....

Although I fully agree, it is really really tough to find anythign new about christianity, especially the main stream outer face that the vast majority are exposed to.

 

[slave2six]

I agree with Father Heathen. Anybody who expresses intolerance and has an unhealthy focus on the devil and evil seem to me to be at odds with Jesus' teachings and example.

If you think that Christianity has ever been anything but intolerant, you clearly have not gotten very far. Even Peter and John and Paul and all those guys who were Christ's disciples (except in the case of Paul) were very strict and intolerant about moral issues. In all honesty, if Christ was a real person and what is written about him in the gospels is even remotely accurate then I'd have to say that the only person who acted like Christ was Christ himself.

 

[Christless Christianity]

Good sermon for the choir, what does it have to do with anything else?

I'm just answering your question Curly!


"Exactly what did the supposed Jesus teach that was new or unique?" - Curly

 

[slave2six]

Exactly what did the supposed Jesus teach that was new or unique? The golden rule had been around for a thousand years, the rest of the teachings were mostly to keep the poor satisfied with their lot, not something I particularly agree with. Certainly his teachings to spread the "gospel" that he was the only way to god was arrogant and in Jewish tradition blasphemous.

Spot on. As usual...

 

[M O N S T E R]

Pay back for what?

What did I do?

Love

Dallas

Payback for the bloody history of the cult you follow.

You also support superstition. Superstition=bad.

 

[DallasApple]

For centuries, Christians tortured and killed people for not believing in Jesus.

I'm talking about letting people be responsible for their actions.

Im not one of them.For centuries many people have killed many people for various reasons.

Killing was going on for WAY longer before Jesus was born.

Be responsible for your actions then..Including being O.K with people dying from lack of water ..When you could prevent it..

That is YOUR action .

The fact you think that is "just" consequence" when preventable is something you and I will have to peacefully disagree with.

If you committ a crime..and I am there..I will give you water(if you are dying)..In reverse you can let me die as my consequence for my cirme.Thats a difference between you and I and I accept that.

Love

Dallas

 

[Christless Christianity]

If you think that Christianity has ever been anything but intolerant, you clearly have not gotten very far. Even Peter and John and Paul and all those guys who were Christ's disciples (except in the case of Paul) were very strict and intolerant about moral issues. In all honesty, if Christ was a real person and what is written about him in the gospels is even remotely accurate then I'd have to say that the only person who acted like Christ was Christ himself.

Do you think Jesus ever addressed homosexuality? The contemporary Church seems more obssessed with traditional family values, abortion and homosexuality than Christ Himself. Help me follow your thoughs about Peter, John, and Paul in regards to morality. Paul addresses the morality gospel in Romans 2. You might be surprised in what he writes about it.