lostwanderingsoul
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I am not talking about Christ's true church. But the churches of today are not of Christ.
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Churchianity has Hidden the REAL God and the REAL Christ for 2,000 years!
sooda
Veteran Member
Who makes YOU the arbiter of which churches are authentic and which are not?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I take exception to that, since I am an ordained member of the clergy. Upon what objective platform do you stand to make such a determination, and who authorized you to sit in judgment of Christ and his church? Your assertion seems to be more a case of “I believe...” rather than “we have been called...” The true church is gathered by Christ, through his apostles and their successors.
lostwanderingsoul
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Do you believe people go to Heaven when they die? That is not in the Bible. Do you believe wicked people are tortured in hell forever? That is not in the Bible. Do you believe Jesus did away with the commandments? That is not in the Bible. I am not judging anyone. God is judging by his word in the Bible. Can you say you believe every word of the Bible?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Only God is the arbiter. I just call them as I see them.
sooda
Veteran Member
Which Bible do you use?
(1) Everyone will exist eternally either in heaven or hell (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:46; John 5:28; Revelation 20:14,15). (2) Everyone has only one life in which to determine their destiny (Hebrews 9:27).
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Sola scriptura is also not in the Bible, so using your criterion, your standard for judgment isn’t “true Christian.”
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You call them as you see them. Sounds very unilateral to me. Just where is God in that formula?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
So you believe everyone has an immortal soul? Ezekiel 18:20 says the soul that sins shall die. Anything that can die is not immortal. But I am sure you will say die does not really mean die.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
And the Bible says not to follow the traditions of man.
sooda
Veteran Member
The Bible contradicts itself fairly often.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Not really. It is man's interpretation that contradicts it.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
All bible reading is interpretation. And all interpretation is human.
sooda
Veteran Member
Men read the Bible, dogs and cats don't.
coconut theology
coconuts for Jesus
No, it isn't actually:
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
And that you mischaracterize "Sola Scriptura" is another of your faults. Sola Scriptura, includes Creation, Jesus, Holy Ghost/Spirit, Angels, Voices from Heaven, Prophets, Visions, Dreams, Signs, Wonders, animals (like a donkey), etc, for all of it is sanctioned in scripture, but all of it must be judged by scripture, Isa 8:20; 1 Cor 14:32; Acts 17:11 (at least there are some noble, while others are not so), etc.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Yes but they say if their tradition differs from the Bible, they will follow tradition. Such a blind view.
sooda
Veteran Member
Isaiah 8:3 "And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz."
Isaiah's wife was called a prophetess because the son to whom she gave birth was prophetic of the Assyrian conquest. Maher-shalal-hash-baz told the Assyrian invaders with no doubt as to who was to win the battle. Hash-baz told them to reap the benefits of the conquered land quickly, (5:26).
You mean like if you are a JW or an Seven Day Adventist?
Isaiah's wife was called a prophetess because the son to whom she gave birth was prophetic of the Assyrian conquest. Maher-shalal-hash-baz told the Assyrian invaders with no doubt as to who was to win the battle. Hash-baz told them to reap the benefits of the conquered land quickly, (5:26).
You mean like if you are a JW or an Seven Day Adventist?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
I know nothing about these religions. But I know there were a number of posts saying that Jesus said there are only two connandments. Love God and love your neighbor. But the readings in the RCC this very weekend include Jesus saying in the Gospel of Mathew that He did not come to destroy the law. In fact He made it stronger. You do not have to kill someone to be guilty of murder. You only have to hate them. And you do not have to sleep with someone to commit adultry. You only have to have lust in your heart. So all ten commandments are still in effect and even stronger. This includes remembering the sabbath day. So I do not see why you would question seventh day adventists. They are at least following God's law while churches that claim the first day of the week is the new sabbath are only fooling themselves. So yes, churchianity has hidden God and His laws from the people.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
That passage has noting to do with the heresy of sola scriptura. The "Law and testimony" this refers to isn't "the bible" -- especially not the NT.
Neither Jesus nor the apostles ever relied on the "bible alone." Ever. That you mischaracterize sola scriptura is another of your faults.