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[Iymus]

No, an idol is the god.

an image or item becomes an idol; by man, nations, or organizations misrepresenting that image or item as the God of Abraham and his descendants.

any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

We are an image

However

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

We are an image but we should not be misrepresented as God or we will become an idol and possibly cause others to stumble; such as Nimrod who caused others to stumble.

You cannot use man being made in the image and likeness of God to justify what you are trying to justify.

 

[sojourner]

an image or item becomes an idol; by man, nations, or organizations misrepresenting that image or item as the God of Abraham and his descendants

You keep saying this, and it keeps on being wrong no matter how many times you say it. Repetition of a false idea doesn’t magically make the idea reality.

The item is the god. That’s what makes it an idol.

You cannot use man being made in the image and likeness of God to justify what you are trying to justify

Hey, this is your “logic” at work, not mine. But I’m glad you see that it doesn’t work that way. Recognition of the problem is the first step. maybe now you can do some self-correction of your faulty logic, since it appears as though I may have finally set you on the correct path.

 

[Iymus]

The item is the god. That’s what makes it an idol.

The item is not the God of Abraham unless misrepresented as such then it becomes an idol.

Hey, this is your “logic” at work, not mine. But I’m glad you see that it doesn’t work that way. Recognition of the problem is the first step. maybe now you can do some self-correction of your faulty logic, since it appears as though I may have finally set you on the correct path.

I do not seem to be doing so because

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 

[sojourner]

The item is not the God of Abraham unless misrepresented as such then it becomes an idol.

The idol was never intended to be God. It was intended to be some other god.

I do not seem to be doing so because

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven

This passage is not cogent to the discussion.

 

[MonkeyFire]

The real Jesus is your oxygen.

 

[Iymus]

The idol was never intended to be God. It was intended to be some other god.

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

This passage is not cogent to the discussion.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 

[sojourner]

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Ever heard of Baal? Hadad? Ra? Marduk? These were all gods in the ancient world around Canaan. In fact, Baal was Canaanite, and parts of Exodus were lifted from earlier stories of Marduk.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

So... just throwing a bunch of unrelated passages against the wall to see what sticks? What a wonderful way to exegete texts!!!

 

[Iymus]

Ever heard of Baal? Hadad? Ra? Marduk? These were all gods in the ancient world around Canaan. In fact, Baal was Canaanite, and parts of Exodus were lifted from earlier stories of Marduk.


So... just throwing a bunch of unrelated passages against the wall to see what sticks? What a wonderful way to exegete texts!!!

Isa 28:9 KJV Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 KJV For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Psa 119:104 KJV Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

 

[sooda]

Isa 28:9 KJV Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 KJV For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Psa 119:104 KJV Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Who do you think Isaiah is writing about?

 

[Iymus]

Who do you think Isaiah is writing about?

If you want you can create a standalone Discussion post and you will get insight on that specific topic.

Who do you think Isaiah is writing about?

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

My intention is to magnifying the importance of precepts and instructions towards understanding.

 

[sooda]

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I am magnifying the importance of precepts and instructions towards understanding.

That's fine and dandy, but what do you think Isaiah is writing about?

 

[Iymus]

That's fine and dandy, but what do you think Isaiah is writing about?

If you want you can create a standalone Discussion post and you will get insight on that specific topic. Why only ask me when you can ask whole forumn?

 

[sooda]

If you want you can create a standalone Discussion post and you will get insight on that specific topic. Why only ask me when you can ask whole forumn?

You are throwing out walls of scripture and I think you don't know what Isaiah is about at all.

Do you actually expect me or anyone else to start a thread asking you about every verse you have thrown like spaghetti at a wall?

What sort of church is it that you said you attend?

 

[Iymus]

You are throwing out walls of scripture and I think you don't know what Isaiah is about at all.

I told you my intentions of using those verses and why.

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

My intention is to magnifying the importance of precepts and instructions towards understanding.

Do you actually expect me or anyone else to start a thread asking you about every verse you have thrown like spaghetti at a wall?

The thread would not be to me but everyone.

I quoted no more than two verses of Isaiah to my knowledge. Not sure how only two verses in Isaiah can be equated as thrown spaghetti on wall.

What sort of church is it that you said you attend?

You would have to tell me since you said I said it.

 

[sooda]

I told you my intentions of using those verses and why.





The thread would not be to me but everyone.

I quoted no more than two verses of Isaiah to my knowledge. Not sure how only two verses in Isaiah can be equated as thrown spaghetti on wall.

You would have to tell me since you said I said it.

Read the thread.

You're full of beans and when you run up on someone who is educated, you shouldn't try to bluff.

 

[Iymus]

Read the thread.

I did.

You're full of beans

ok.

and when you run up on someone who is educated, you shouldn't try to bluff.

if i wanted to bluff i would not tell you to create a post in regards to that topic in which i would reply to.

also not sure how typing and responding on my keyboard is running up on someone but perhaps i also need to be educated to understand.

 

[dfnj]

The God Jesus serves. The One he said is the ONLY true God. (John 17:3)

I think you have it wrong. Every word in the Bible having to do with authoritarianism is where the hidden evil exists. You cannot have a "lord" without "slaves." People who are slaves "serve" masters. I think what is evil is being obsessed with slavery. I think a religion based on loyalty to authority should be question in terms of being "good" or "evil."

I would imagine a God of unconditional love would be slightly more egalitarian with His rule. I think a loving God would be more like a "steward", "guardian", or "caretaker" than an overlord to be obeyed.

I think you need to rethink your idea of what is good and evil before you declare one ideology as being one way or the other.

 

[Iymus]

New Day

Who do you think Isaiah is writing about?

In specific context of Isaiah Chapter 28, one could say Isaiah is addressing the drunkards of Ephraim.

Isa 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

Why?

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

Seems straightforward, but perhaps me being full of beans and you being educated this is not the case.

Read the thread.

You're full of beans and when you run up on someone who is educated, you shouldn't try to bluff.

 

[sooda]

New Day



In specific context of Isaiah Chapter 28, one could say Isaiah is addressing the drunkards of Ephraim.

Isa 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

Why?

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

Seems straightforward, but perhaps me being full of beans and you being educated this is not the case.

Ephraim is "Israel". They were more prosperous than Judea and there was a lot of rivalry and envy there. Ephraim is used interchangeably with "Israel".

 

[Cooky]

Churchianity has been taken over by Satan

“Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the Church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish”. Emphasis mine. (Ephesians 5:25-27).