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City passes proposal to remove Trump's star from Hollywood Walk of Fame

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It's not a conservative or liberal issue. It's about an act of vandalism against a symbol of recognition for a man who is the most powerful man in the world, whose acts in that capacity are in violation of human rights.
Nah, it’s just attention seeking vandalism.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We overthrew Hitler with violence. But I am not saying we should or shouldn't do anything like this. I'm just looking at it from the POV of physics. Ball A strikes Ball B and C is the result. I'm just noting why pick axe boy did what he did considering the circumstances. When a Palestinian man has had his home bulldozed and his family murdered, what life has he left to live? Turning to suicide bombing may be what he considers the only choice left. Ordinary people who would not commit these kinds of acts, may resort to them when the conditions are such that they feel completely powerless and/or oppressed. I'm thinking of the Revolutionary War.
Wow, you are quite the SJW kool aid drinker.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In spite of their achievements, we strip those who've committed offensive acts, like Bill Cosby, Bill O'Reilly, Harvey Weinstein, Andrew Kreisberg, Ben Affleck, Kevin Spacey, etc. Why should Trump be treated any differently?

A List of Powerful People in Entertainment Who Have Been Accused of Sexual Harassment or Assault This Year
Why would you mention President Trump, who has NOT been accused of sexual misconduct along with a list of those that have and then wonder why he isn’t treat the same? You do know that Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein and others on your list still have Stars on the Walk of Fame and know one is trying to remove those, right?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Why would you mention President Trump, who has NOT been accused of sexual misconduct along with a list of those that have and then wonder why he isn’t treat the same?
Perhaps because Trump is an ongoing problem of a far more serious nature. Do you really feel lying is a virtue?



But hey, maybe you don't care about a President bereft of scruples, among a lot of other more serious failings. :shrug:

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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
He's no longer in power. The Confederate hero monuments stood for a long time too, but they're now coming down, one by one. It's a matter of people waking up to reality. Someday, the people will ask: "Why is this monument to Mussolini still here, when he no longer reflects our values?
While they are at it , they might as well rip out that bigoted and racist Democrat name since it's the symbol of hate and bigotry in the Deep South.

Oh wait it's the leftist party...... I'm guessing that's okay then.

Maybe the left needs to wake up to reality to instead of being the Hypocrites and Liars as they really are.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Perhaps because Trump is an ongoing problem of a far more serious nature. Do you really feel lying is a virtue?



But hey, maybe you don't care about a President bereft of scruples, among a lot of other more serious failings. :shrug:

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Like when is the last time in memory we actually had an honest politician or president? Honest Abe?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Do you think Hollywood is known for its discernment of honesty and integrity? Have you heard of Harvey Weinstein?

When his star was placed his past was not known. He may be on the list for removal, and many honary titles and positions have been retracted concerning Harvey Weinstein. If you read my follow up post I clearly said that Trump at present does not fit any qualifications to have a star.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Like when is the last time in memory we actually had an honest politician or president? Honest Abe?
Honesty is relative sense, and all Presidents share one quality; they are human. On a reasonable scale most Presidents are relatively ethical and honest, except of course Donald Trump, Richard Nixon, and Andre Jackson.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
While they are at it , they might as well rip out that bigoted and racist Democrat name since it's the symbol of hate and bigotry in the Deep South.

Oh wait it's the leftist party...... I'm guessing that's okay then.

Maybe the left needs to wake up to reality to instead of being the Hypocrites and Liars as they really are.

Maybe so. Maybe that applies to both the left and the right. Maybe we all are evolving, and in so doing, have come to realize that our thought patterns of yesterday not only do not apply to an awakened consciousness, but are actually harmful, especially when destructive action is taken on their behalf. In the case of Pick Axe Boy, yes, he is violating one law in order to obey another. Sometimes civil disobedience is necessary when those in power become oppressive to the point where even our liberties no longer make any sense, such as our right to vote, which has currently become a farce.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Honesty is relative sense, and all Presidents share on quality they are human. On a reasonable scale most Presidents are relatively ethical and honest, except of course Donald Trump, Richard Nixon, and Andre Jackson.
Wasn't there that one fellah who was impeached for lying awhile back?
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Why would you mention President Trump, who has NOT been accused of sexual misconduct along with a list of those that have and then wonder why he isn’t treat the same? You do know that Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein and others on your list still have Stars on the Walk of Fame and know one is trying to remove those, right?

I posted those offenders not because Trump is a sex offender, but to show that, even with past achievements, we strip them of recognition and power when their offenses can't be tolerated. Bill Cosby and Weinstein don't have the power that Trump currently wields. Trump is abusing his power on a much greater scale than that of sexual misconduct.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Wasn't there that one fellah who was impeached for lying awhile back?

Richard Nixon?

The impeachment of Andrew Johnson was not over lying it was dispute over appointments concerning the Secretary of War. It was very political.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
But if one is more dishonest than the rest, then vandalism is OK.
That seems to be the argument.

It's not just the dishonesty; it's what that dishonesty is doing to people. If you were a Jew who survived the holocaust, (perhaps you are), how would you feel to come into contact with a monument to Hitler that honored him as a patriot, for example? What would you want to do to that monument or other symbol of recognition that to you may appear to be obscene? But it's not vandalizing the symbol itself that is the problem; it's what the symbol represents, or no longer represents in light of more current information. Pick Axe Boy's action is neither right nor wrong; it just reflects the reality of the current situation. Everyone seems to be up in arms about the vandalism, but ignores why it came about in the first place. So we punish the vandal, and go on perpetuating the underlying problem. BTW, Pick Axe Boy did turn himself in afterward.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Richard Nixon?

The impeachment of Andrew Johnson was not over lying it was dispute over appointments concerning the Secretary of War. It was very political.
Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. Perjury is telling falsehood after affirming to tell the truth - better known as lying under oath.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Perhaps because Trump is an ongoing problem of a far more serious nature. Do you really feel lying is a virtue?



But hey, maybe you don't care about a President bereft of scruples, among a lot of other more serious failings. :shrug:

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The Washington Post, CNN, and The NY Times. LOL! The “usual suspects”. All three completely biased against President Trump. Why not cut out the middle men and quote the DNC directly?

Speaking of lies, how come all of those sources have had proven liars as “reporters”? Do Jayson Blair, Thomas Frank, or Janet Cooke ring any bells?

President Trump has scruples all right. That’s why the left are so obsessed with trying to bring him down. He has scruples and they are afraid of someone that won’t kow tow to them or play their games.
 
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Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I posted those offenders not because Trump is a sex offender, but to show that, even with past achievements, we strip them of recognition and power when their offenses can't be tolerated. Bill Cosby and Weinstein don't have the power that Trump currently wields. Trump is abusing his power on a much greater scale than that of sexual misconduct.
And you missed a key point. As you admit these others are alleged or confirmed to have committed very serious offense and yet their stars on the walk of fame have not been removed, defaced, not even are there efforts to remove them. Yet President Trump, who has not commit their sorts of misconduct has had his star defaced and there is an effort to remove his star. It is a double standard.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The Washington Post, CNN, and The NY Times. LOL! The “usual suspects”. All three completely biased against President Trump. Why not cut out the middle men and quote the DNC directly?

Speaking of lies, how come all of those sources have had proven liars as “reporters”? Do Jayson Blair, Thomas Frank, or Janet Cooke ring any bells?

President Trump has scruples all right. That’s why the left are so obsessed with trying to bring him down. He has scruples and they are afraid of someone hat won’t know tow to them or play their games.

No need to quote anyone else but tRump. He does the best at trashing his own lack of scruples.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's not just the dishonesty; it's what that dishonesty is doing to people. If you were a Jew who survived the holocaust, (perhaps you are), how would you feel to come into contact with a monument to Hitler that honored him as a patriot, for example? What would you want to do to that monument or other symbol of recognition that to you may appear to be obscene? But it's not vandalizing the symbol itself that is the problem; it's what the symbol represents, or no longer represents in light of more current information. Pick Axe Boy's action is neither right nor wrong; it just reflects the reality of the current situation. Everyone seems to be up in arms about the vandalism, but ignores why it came about in the first place. So we punish the vandal, and go on perpetuating the underlying problem. BTW, Pick Axe Boy did turn himself in afterward.
Inapt analogy.
 
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