City passes proposal to remove Trump's star from Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Debater Slayer]

Endorsing vandalism sets a dangerous precedent that accomplishes nothing but give ammunition to violent, irrational fanatics. Trump and his policies are not going to go away because of the vandalism of his star on the Walk of Fame—a public property whose destruction doesn't even harm him.

 

[godnotgod]

How is busting up a piece of concrete supposed to stop all of these perceived evils? No one is saying to "roll over", but surely there are more effective and productive actions than behaving like a juvenile delinquent.

It's not about the piece of concrete; it's about what the image represents, and how it does not reflect what it's supposed to represent. That's what pick axe boy is drawing attention to. With a single stroke, he has sent a message around the world. I posted a video here of him telling exactly what is motives were. He represents the sentiments of ordinary people who are fed up with the Trump cabal and his rotten ilk.

 

[godnotgod]

Endorsing vandalism sets a dangerous precedent that accomplishes nothing but give ammunition to violent, irrational fanatics. Trump and his policies are not going to go away because of the vandalism of his star on the Walk of Fame—a public property whose destruction doesn't even harm him.

Again, it's not about the physical star, but what it symbolizes. Pick axe boy's act was very powerful. The best thing you can do to a liar like Trump is to tear down their facade.

 

[Loviatar]

You could make that argument about anything, though. Any picture of Trump symbolizes him, should we go on a mass Cultural Revolution-style rampage destroying his images? Or should we focus our energies on educating people about the damaging policies he's enacting and the swirl of corruption around him? Or even on campaigning to elect people who will stand up to said policies?

I should add that the City Council's decision to remove the star was their right, since they manage the area, but they open themselves up to criticism there too. There are a number of celebrities with stars who are rapists or otherwise horrible people, who West Hollywood apparently isn't touching. Kevin Spacey still has one, for example. It seems like if they're trying to send a message through this, they should create some set of standards for what gets a star removed and then follow said standards.

 

[LuisDantas]

When did Trump get that star, and under which justification? As gratitude for financing something, perhaps?

 

[godnotgod]

You could make that argument about anything, though. Any picture of Trump symbolizes him, should we go on a mass Cultural Revolution-style rampage destroying his images? Or should we focus our energies on educating people about the damaging policies he's enacting and the swirl of corruption around him? Or even on campaigning to elect people who will stand up to said policies?

I should add that the City Council's decision to remove the star was their right, since they manage the area, but they open themselves up to criticism there too. There are a number of celebrities with stars who are rapists or otherwise horrible people, who West Hollywood apparently isn't touching. Kevin Spacey still has one, for example. It seems like if they're trying to send a message through this, they should create some set of standards for what gets a star removed and then follow said standards.

Perhaps so as a side issue, but Kevin Spacey and those other celebs are not the President of the United States, who is currently in power, and whose actions are negatively impacting the lives of people around the world.

While 'any picture' of Trump symbolizes HIM in a physical sense, they don't represent an official symbol of honor and respect as the Hollywood Star is supposed to do. Those stars represent something honorable that those people have done in their lives, as pick axe boy says in the video I posted above. IOW, the short of it is that Trump does not deserve that kind of honor and respect. It no longer has any real meaning, if it ever did, in light of the reality of his behavior.

 

[godnotgod]

When did Trump get that star, and under which justification? As gratitude for financing something, perhaps?

It was awarded in association with his TV series, 'The Apprentice'.

 

[Loviatar]

While 'any picture' of Trump symbolizes HIM in a physical sense, they don't represent an official symbol of honor and respect as the Hollywood Star is supposed to do. Those stars represent something honorable that those people have done in their lives, as pick axe boy says in the video I posted above.

Hm, I guess I just have a less positive view of Hollywood. I don't really see a Hollywood Star as symbolizing something any more honorable than being famous for something related to the film industry, and I see that industry as being throughout its history full of some pretty terrible people. People much like Trump.

In general I think instead of feeding the cult of celebrity, which helped to create Trump, we should demystify it. A Hollywood Star isn't a sacred thing, whose sanctity needs to be defended from a President we agree is terrible. It's an industry recognition that gets much more attention than it deserves.

 

[Father Heathen]

Again, it's not about the physical star, but what it symbolizes. Pick axe boy's act was very powerful. The best thing you can do to a liar like Trump is to tear down their facade.

It wasn't powerful at all. Some may cheer or laugh, some may roll their eyes or shake their head, some may seethe and fume, but everyone will forget about the whole thing within few days.

 

[godnotgod]

Hm, I guess I just have a less positive view of Hollywood. I don't really see a Hollywood Star as symbolizing something any more honorable than being famous for something related to the film industry, and I see that industry as being throughout its history full of some pretty terrible people. People much like Trump.

In general I think instead of feeding the cult of celebrity, which helped to create Trump, we should demystify it. A Hollywood Star isn't a sacred thing, whose sanctity needs to be defended from a President we agree is terrible. It's an industry recognition that gets much more attention than it deserves.

It exists because we think of these people as having distinguished themselves for their talent and sometimes for how they used their talent to portray values we cherish. But none of them, other than Reagan, is in a position of supreme power like Trump is who is impacting tens of millions of people. What needs dismantling is the facade that is being created about Trump that is a falsehood, hence pick axe boy's little act of defiance.

 

[Twilight Hue]

City passes proposal to remove Trump's star from Hollywood Walk of Fame





Someone apparently destroyed his star with a pickaxe.

So that's what a fallen star looks like.

Oh well. I guess he'll still be in Disney's Hall of Presidents.

Hmm...

A basket of intolerants.

Sounds about right.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Endorsing vandalism sets a dangerous precedent that accomplishes nothing but give ammunition to violent, irrational fanatics. Trump and his policies are not going to go away because of the vandalism of his star on the Walk of Fame—a public property whose destruction doesn't even harm him.

For the left it's perfectly okay if it's done in their name. It's just not okay if it's something that is against leftist ideologies or the same thing is done to them in one form or another .

What a bunch of wankers.

 

[godnotgod]

It wasn't powerful at all. Some may cheer or laugh, some may roll their eyes or shake their head, some may seethe and fume, but everyone will forget about the whole thing within few days.

It's most meaningful to the people who are powerless and frustrated, who feel helpless in the face of an impostor and an ogre like Trump. It gives them courage and faith that some good will ultimately prevail. It's the small act of the underdog that says 'we're not going to take it any longer, and no, you don't deserve a star, Mr. Trump. I, the little man, am going to take it away from you, and so, here I am, spitting into the wind". Pick axe boy is like the people in the underground who worked behind the scenes in Nazi Germany to do what they could to bring down Hitler. No, we're not there yet, but it may not be far off.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's most meaningful to the people who are powerless and frustrated, who feel helpless in the face of an impostor and an ogre like Trump. It gives them courage and faith that some good will ultimately prevail. It's the small act of the underdog that says 'we're not going to take it any longer, and no, you don't deserve a star, Mr. Trump. I, the little man, am going to take it away from you, and so, here I am, spitting into the wind". Pick axe boy is like the people in the underground who worked behind the scenes in Nazi Germany to do what they could to bring down Hitler. No, we're not there yet, but it may not be far off.

Would you be OK with conservatives destroying stars for liberals?

 

[BSM1]

I can't stand Trump but don't agree with this.
It is history, it proves where a country was/is; it is like the Taliban blowing up the Bamiyan Buddhas

Or tearing down statues of Confederate soldiers.....

 

[BSM1]

It's most meaningful to the people who are powerless and frustrated, who feel helpless in the face of an impostor and an ogre like Trump. It gives them courage and faith that some good will ultimately prevail. It's the small act of the underdog that says 'we're not going to take it any longer, and no, you don't deserve a star, Mr. Trump. I, the little man, am going to take it away from you, and so, here I am, spitting into the wind". Pick axe boy is like the people in the underground who worked behind the scenes in Nazi Germany to do what they could to bring down Hitler. No, we're not there yet, but it may not be far off.

Soooo...are you saying we should overthrow the Trump government with violence if necessary?

 

[CruzNichaphor]

Someone apparently destroyed his star with a pickaxe.

Only someone who is poor, dirty and stupid would do something like this.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I oppose the vandalism and support the proposal.

 

[shunyadragon]

Given that the "right" is heavily armed, I'd try a more sober response, quite frankly.

That is an unfortunate and dangerous problem.

Donald tRump has never done anything honestly and with integrity to earn the Star.

 

[BSM1]

That is an unfortunate and dangerous problem.

Donald tRump has never done anything honestly and with integrity to earn the Star.

I don't think either one of these are a requirement in Hollywood...