rosends
Well-Known Member
It can't. Therefore, what you believe is the message is not a message from God
No, no one did. Did the devil speak to Joseph Smith? Or JK Rowling?
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Clear prophecy in the Bible about prophet Muhammad
- Thread starter The Tiger of Islam
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ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> indeed
for some where self proclaimin christians only
but the truth
some of those who self proclaimed as christians are acting diffirently
from what the true christians really means
unto its very term that it is been called for
as this one makes a good example of
a self proclaimed christians
:read: (as this is one of what some people call legendary)
actually the word trinity literally
means trinity also in the goggle translate
as goggle translate it unto diffirent
existing languages in this planet earth now so that it could properly define
coz the very term trinity doesnt mean a thing
unto any literally point of view
and
some were man made defined to make it as a triune god as an actual idolatry
which what pagans done in the past
(although in pagan belief it is not a bad practice of worshipping
but to those who really knows the bible
and literally believed from its writings
idolatry is a pure act of evil worshipping
as what those leaders of churches
in the past
making themselves as false witnesses
to persrcutes people who practise those pagans idolatry like worshipping the very image of nature
and anything that goes with it
but the picture of the cross and anything that are self proclaimed divine object by some leaders of the so called church
who were been blinded by their own teachings
since
“Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God.
meaning
biblically speaking
its a man made doctrine when it comes to any religion who believed in the written words from the bible itself
that is why
jesus said this things in the bible
as it is written
:read:
Mark 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Nevertheless in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, all of you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things all of you do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well all of you reject the commandment of God, that all of you may keep your own tradition.
indeed
jesus really spoke it
during the time when he was in human form
and it is been recorded in the bible itself
with the good works and good faith of jesus disciples and
some were apostles and some evengelist
certainly
anyone could pray
anytime and anywhere
as long as anyone wants it or
whatever manner they will
or if they dont
its a matter of freewill
if any livin person nor i may say so
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
for some where self proclaimin christians only
but the truth
some of those who self proclaimed as christians are acting diffirently
from what the true christians really means
unto its very term that it is been called for
as this one makes a good example of
a self proclaimed christians
:read: (as this is one of what some people call legendary)
actually the word trinity literallymeans trinity also in the goggle translate
as goggle translate it unto diffirent
existing languages in this planet earth now so that it could properly define
coz the very term trinity doesnt mean a thing
unto any literally point of view
and
some were man made defined to make it as a triune god as an actual idolatry
which what pagans done in the past
(although in pagan belief it is not a bad practice of worshipping
but to those who really knows the bible
and literally believed from its writings
idolatry is a pure act of evil worshipping
as what those leaders of churches
in the past
making themselves as false witnesses
to persrcutes people who practise those pagans idolatry like worshipping the very image of nature
and anything that goes with it
but the picture of the cross and anything that are self proclaimed divine object by some leaders of the so called church
who were been blinded by their own teachings
since
“Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God.
meaning
biblically speaking
its a man made doctrine when it comes to any religion who believed in the written words from the bible itself
that is why
jesus said this things in the bible
as it is written
:read:
Mark 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Nevertheless in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, all of you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things all of you do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well all of you reject the commandment of God, that all of you may keep your own tradition.
indeed
jesus really spoke it
during the time when he was in human form
and it is been recorded in the bible itself
with the good works and good faith of jesus disciples and
some were apostles and some evengelist
certainly
anyone could pray
anytime and anywhere
as long as anyone wants it or
whatever manner they will
or if they dont
its a matter of freewill
if any livin person nor i may say so
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
arthra
Baha'i
You are very fair. Thanks for clarifying that. According to Baha'is we violate nothing but their own very fallible interpretations of the Quran.
The Quran says no such thing that Muhammad will be the final Educator God sends to humanity forever. Where does it say that?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Surah 33:40 : ""Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things."
Once something is sealed it is final and can't be added to, according to Islamic thinking. Hence why Muslims believe Muhammad is the last.
I'll admit I'm not all that clued up. A Muslim poster would be able to explain this better than I can.
Yes but it doesn't say sealed for a week a year, a thousand years or forever? Muslims insert forever.
Yet in this passage it says the 'Lord' will come and that the earth will shine with the 'Lord'. It isn't Muhammad because His time is sealed. Then it refers to someone else we say Baha'u'llah.
89:22
and thy LORD shall come, and the angels rank by rank; and hell, on that day, shall be brought nigh: on that day shall man call to remembrance his evil deeds;
39:69
And the earth will shine with the light of her Lord, and the Book will be laid open before them, and the Prophets and the witnesses will be brought, and judgment will be given between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
If something is sealed forever then saying 'forever' is rather redundant. Instead you're squeezing Bahaullah into the ambiguity left by 'forever' not being present.
In Islam the earth's Lord is Allah, not Muhammad, not Bahaullah, not any human; glory & sovereignty over creation is for Allah alone. Even I, a non-Muslim, can tell you that.
Britedream
Active Member
The meaning in Arabic is clear; the word is Khatem which means the end of.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
So Muhammad is 'the end' of the prophets? Is that what you mean?
Britedream
Active Member
True, in Arabic we say to someone reached the end of the Quran, he "khatem"; meaning reached the end of it.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
No, obviously it would mean that no one spoke to Muhammad. That he made the whole thing up.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Thanks for the clarification. That was what I was trying to communicate to loverofhumanity.
They are entitled to their opinion but there's a lot more signs in the Quran about a future Revelation from God that backs these verses up.
Mullas have interpreted the Quran in a manner that their power can never be superseded. But it is incorrect. We can prove it from the Quran.
McBell
Unbound
bold empty challenge.
Baha'u'llah condemns exclusivity and superiority as a 'spiritual disease' within religions.
“Even as the Christian divines who, holding fast to the verse of the Gospel to which We have already referred, have sought to explain that the law of the Gospel shall at no time be annulled, and that no independent Prophet shall again be made manifest, unless He confirmeth the law of the Gospel. Most of the people have become afflicted with the same spiritual disease”
Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í
“Even as thou dost witness how the people of the Qur’án, like unto the people of old, have allowed the words “Seal of the Prophets” to veil their eyes. And yet, they themselves testify to this verse: “None knoweth the interpretation thereof but God and they that are well-grounded in knowledge.”And when He Who is well-grounded in all knowledge, He Who is the Mother, the Soul, the Secret, and the Essence thereof, revealeth that which is the least contrary to their desire, they bitterly oppose Him and shamelessly deny Him.”
Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í
“Even as the Christian divines who, holding fast to the verse of the Gospel to which We have already referred, have sought to explain that the law of the Gospel shall at no time be annulled, and that no independent Prophet shall again be made manifest, unless He confirmeth the law of the Gospel. Most of the people have become afflicted with the same spiritual disease”
Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í
“Even as thou dost witness how the people of the Qur’án, like unto the people of old, have allowed the words “Seal of the Prophets” to veil their eyes. And yet, they themselves testify to this verse: “None knoweth the interpretation thereof but God and they that are well-grounded in knowledge.”And when He Who is well-grounded in all knowledge, He Who is the Mother, the Soul, the Secret, and the Essence thereof, revealeth that which is the least contrary to their desire, they bitterly oppose Him and shamelessly deny Him.”
Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í
The true interpretation of the Quran is known only to God and His Prophets not Mullas or Baha'is or Muslims. Only an interpretation from God's Representative is the correct one.
Sura 3:7
“None knoweth the interpretation thereof but God and they that are well-grounded in knowledge.”
So both Muslims and Bahai's cannot authoritatively interpret the Quran
Sura 7:53
On the day whereon the interpretation thereof shall come, they who had forgotten the same before, shall say, now are we convinced by demonstration that the messengers of our Lord came unto us with truth
Baha'u'llah has brought that interpretation in the form of the Book of Certitude.
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KI/ki-1.html
It's all explained in there. The Book of Certitude was revealed in 2 days and nights in Baghdad.
So what's the goddamn point of the Qur'an?
Oh here's a book no-one can read.
Useful.
The Tiger of Islam
Member
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number."
[Sahih al-Bukhari 3455]
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number."
[Sahih al-Bukhari 3455]
Britedream
Active Member
Sorry, but he is dead wrong, the arabic word " taweel" means ; the realty of the meaning that attached to the word; in regards for the unseen things; for example, God talked about many things in the Quran regarding what is in Paradise; fruits, rivers, and other things that we have similar in names only, where realty is different.
So if you read Sura Yousif " Joseph" in Quran, you will see that Joseph had a dream, but at the end of surah , when he saw the dream materialized, he said , this is "taweel" what I have seen in dream; meaning the realty of the Interpretation of the dream.
So when God said in the Quran, we will have fruits in paradise, we understand the meaning of the word fruit, but of course, the reality of it in Paradise will be different, and unknown to us in this life.
mojtaba
Active Member
Who has said that Baha'ullah could interpret the Quran?
If only himself claimed, let me claim just like him without any reason.