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COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

3rdAngel

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You should be discussing the validity of the Sabbath because that is your topic.

This OP is specifically on Colossians 2:16-17 and what it really teaches. Your only seeking to talk about anything else except the OP topic. It is very clear all through the scriptures that there is not a single scripture that you have provided or anyone else for that matter that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Yet here you still are with no scripture holding on to a man made teaching and tradition the breaks the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9? JESUS says all those who knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that brake the commandments of God are not following God. Does this not worry you brother? It should.

Accoding to God's WORD (not mine) God's LAW (10 commandments) in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. If we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that define what sin is when broken *James 2:10-11

According to God's Word all those who knowingly practice sin will not enter the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-39.

God has his people in every Church *John 10:16 and knows that his people have been led astray by these Churches and in times of ignorance God does not hold us accountable for sin but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow him *Acts 17:30-31. God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions *Matthew 15:3-9 back to the pure Word of God *John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-4

Receive God's Word and be blessed, ignoring it does not make it dissappear.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Ten Commandments list
  1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
  2. You shall make no idols.
  3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
  4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. ---- REPEALED BY GOD
  5. Honor your father and your mother.
  6. You shall not murder.
  7. You shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not steal.
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  10. You shall not covet.
Here you need some help....

Firstly you do not have a single scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day (fact 1) Secondly, JESUS and all the Apostles not only taught others to keep all of God's 10 commandment they also kept God's 4th commandment while alive with JESUS and after the resurrection of JESUS **Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; Mark 2:27-28; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10

God's 10 commandments in the new covenant

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Matthew 12:1-12; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 5:17-19; Hebrews 4:1-11; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revalation 1:10; 12:17:14:12: 22:14
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Sorry brother God's Word disagrees with you.

These are Gods Word not mine do you believe them?
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Isaiah 1:13 New International Version (NIV) Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.

Your confused brother once again if you read the OP you would see these scripture are mentioned there and are in reference to the annual feast days and shadow sabbaths; as shown in the scripture context to offerings, new moons, sabbaths, holy convocations and solomn assemblies. It is not talking about God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath.

You do know brother that there are annual special sabbaths that can fall on any day of the week (not God's 4th commandment, seventh day weekly Sabbath) that are only connected to the annual feast days right (feasts of trumpets, day of atonement, feast of booths) Everything listed in the scritpture in ISAIAH 1:13 is referring to the annual feast days. Read the OP you might find it interested.

4th commandment was abolished Who abolished the Sabbath? The Lord God Almighty When was it abolished: 700 years before Jesus Christ was born Proof: Isaiah 1:13 and Hosea 2:11

I see so according to you God's 4th commandment Sabbath was abolished 700 years before Christ? I guess someone forgot to tell JESUS who kept the Sabbath according to God's 4th commandmetns and taught others how to keep it and all the apostles who continued keeping it even after the resurrection of JESUS *Matthew 12:1-12; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 5:17-19; Hebrews 4:1-11; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revalation 1:10; 12:17:14:12: 22:14 ? You do err not knowing the scriptures.

Please read to OP brother ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Please shorten your posts. Do not use the work of others. You have to focus!
I am using my own work from my own bible study in posting here. It is a result of my own prayerful bible study time asking JESUS to be my guide and teacher. You have been provided God's WORD that are not my words but God's and you deny them. If I share only God's Word with you why do you not believe them? Ignoring God's Word dear brother does not make them dissappear.
We are talking about the Sabbath not the other 9 commandments.
I posted earlier that...
3rdAngel said: God's LAW (10 Commandments) are for all of God's people.
Your response was...
MJFlores said: I like to see the verse on this one.
The scriptures were posted to you in post # 144 linked that answer your request. How many commandment are there in God's 10 commandments; 9; 10; 613? Here is a hint *Deuteronomy 10:4 and God's 4th commandment is one of them *Exodus 20:8-11; James 2:10-11

Sin is defined in God's Word as breaking anyone of God's 10 Commandments *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 and Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 14:12; 22-14.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that define what sin is when broken *James 2:10-11

According to God's Word all those who knowingly practice sin will not enter the kingdom of heave because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-39.

There is no scipture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. This is a man made teaching and tradition that breaks the commandments of God that JESUS warns us against in Matthew 15:3-9

These are Gods' WORD not mine brother do you believe them? If not why now? Who do you believe and follow; God or man?
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
You realise there are way more than ten, right?

Sure. We are talking about God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the claims of some that Gods 4th commandment has been abolished when they have no scripture to support their teaching and traditions. Although the OP is suppose to be on Colossians 2:16-17 but they do not want to discuss it I guess.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
As posted earlier we are talking about God's LAW *Exodus 32:16 not the book of the law *Deuteronomy 31:24-26
What nonsense is this? There is only one Torah. That there are five different scrolls doesn't mean there are five different laws. It means there are five scrolls.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
What nonsense is this? There is only one Torah. That there are five different scrolls doesn't mean there are five different laws. It means there are five scrolls.

There is no nonsense friend. You do know that God's LAW (10 Commandments) was the work of God alone right *Exodus 32:16? Now who wrote God's 10 Commandments? Was it Moses or God and how many Commandments did God wite with his own finger?
 

Crosstian

Baring the Cross
Beginning with this Sunday, Jesus guided His disciples to gather every
Sunday. Jesus appeared to the disciples on the following Sunday.
The first statement you gave is not found evidenced anywhere in scripture. It is simply you citing "you" and the book II Opinions What:4 is non-Canonical.

The second statement is also untrue by a simple reading of the texts:

Jesus met with the Disciples the 2nd day of the week here, since he spent a great deal of time with the two Disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the first day [see Luke 24:21, "...beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done"], it came to be evening [which eventually at the other 'evening' begins the next day, when the sun sets at even, Mark 1:32; Leviticus 23:32; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc ], and then they sat down to dinner, and as Jesus vanished before them, they ran back to Jerusalem at night and then Jesus met with them again, all together [thus no longer the 'first [day] of the week', but rather the second [day] of the week]:

But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. Luke 24:29

And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. Luke 24:30

And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Luke 24:33

And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Luke 24:36

In scripture, though, there are several "evenings". The "evening" of about 3 PM to sunset, known as the "going down of the sun":

Exo 29:39 The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even:

Mat_16:2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

Then there is another and final "evening" which brings the next day as in Genesis 1, this "evening" is known as the beginning of the "day", see Genesis 1, etc.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Therefore, when we are reading Mark, Luke and John, we need to take that into consideration. Look again:

Luk_24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

We can see that they (disciples and Jesus) were still walking to Emmaus while it was yet "day" (light out, with the sun still out), and yet it began to grow late in the day, and the sun was beginning to go down. It was getting near supper time. It was not yet night (sun down). Yet, while they eat, Jesus makes known who He is, and vanishes from their sight (no, Jesus is not aethereal, He is simply invisible to their eyes), and they being astonished, run all the way back to Jerusalem where the other disciples were hiding behind closed doors. Now the distance from Emmaus to Jerusalem, we are told, is "threescore furlongs" ("A Greek measure of length, being 600 Greek ft., or 100 orguiai equal to 606 3/4 English ft., and thus somewhat less than a furlong, which is 660 ft." - Link and thus is about 7-8 Miles as we would know them).

7-8 Miles is a long way to run when the sun is setting, going back uphill (Jerusalem, the city on a hill). This would take several hours. It would be dark, by the time these reached Jerusalem and the other disciples, being the final "evening" (when the sun did set, see Mark 1:32).

Therefore, when John says, "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."

We know the timeframe it refers to. It was the end of the first day of the week, in the "evening", when the sun was set, which in reality, is another way of saying the 'second [day] of the week', contextually. The text refers to the "evening" at the end of the "first [day] of the week" which scripturally means the actual "second [day] of the week". I am not rewriting the text here. I am simply demonstrating that John is using a parallel language to say the same thing another way. It would be akin to saying the "Robe is purple.", and another person saying, the "Robe is a combined mixture of the shades of red and blue."

Thus is was in actuality the second 'day' of the week (first night/dark portion) that Jesus appeared to them. Then we see another appearance "after eight days", which would place the following meeting, again, no matter how it is calculated (inclusive or exclusive), not upon the "first [day] of the week", but either the second or third:

Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

No matter how that is calculated, whether inclusive or exclusive, "after" 8 days later doesn't bring you back to the same day of the week. To think otherwise is a disservice to intelligence and mathematics.

There is no consistent meeting only upon the "first day of the week" in all of the New Testament. Jesus met with the disciples for 40 days. Jesus met with the disciples 10 days before Pentecost (if we say it is the first [day] of the week, which is properly fine), then this is not a first [day] of the week.

Jesus also stayed for 40 days after His resurrection, His first ascension and return:

To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1:3

Thus, since Jesus ascended for the Second time, this time from the Mount of Olives, he was there with them exactly 10 days before Pentecost [first [day] of the week], which means, we see again that Jesus was with them not merely upon the first [day] of the week.

Now, to address Pentecost, was a one time event fulfilled in Acts:

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

It is not a weekly event. It was in type, a yearly one day (after 7x7 sabbaths, or after 49 days) event. In anti-type, it was a once in the life of the world event, seen in Acts 2:1-3,33 (Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6, etc).

Therefore, how do you (personally) get from the typical Yearly event, or from the anti-typical once in world event, to a weekly event? Same thing for the Resurrection (anti-type of Firstfruits/Wavesheaf)???

Do you want to know what Jesus gave to remember the resurrection? It's in the Bible. Here it is, the anti-type of the Laver of the Sanctuary (Psalms 77:13):

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin [1 John 3:4], because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
You said it had been repealed. Doesn't matter who you are. Since non-Jews are never called to observe Shabbat, who exactly is it repealed for then?

Yep, it was abolished.
Double Whammy!
It should have been observed by the Israelites
which is an extinct race.
What a bummer!

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Some people still want to practice the Sabbath in their own way
So as to make it appear that their religion is legit
But unknown to them it has been abolished

Lamentations 2:6 Good News Translation (GNT)

He smashed to pieces the Temple where we worshiped him;
He has put an end to holy days and Sabbaths.
King and priest alike have felt the force of his anger.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
G-d's Law, His Torah, is not just ten commandments. Why is this difficult for you?

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Your confused. God's LAW (10 Commandments) is the only law that is the work of God alone and written with God's own finger. Everything else written by Moses in the book of the law revolves around God's LAW. How many commandments are there in Gods 10 Commandments; 9; 10 or 613? Here is a hint *Deuteronomy 10:4
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Yep, it was abolished.
Double Whammy!
It should have been observed by the Israelites
which is an extinct race.
What a bummer!

giphy.gif


Some people still want to practice the Sabbath in their own way
So as to make it appear that their religion is legit
But unknown to them it has been abolished

Lamentations 2:6 Good News Translation (GNT)

He smashed to pieces the Temple where we worshiped him;
He has put an end to holy days and Sabbaths.
King and priest alike have felt the force of his anger.
Thanks for letting me know you're not worth my time.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Your confused. God's LAW (10 Commandments) is the only law that is the work of God alone and written with God's own finger. Everything else written by Moses in the book of the law revolves around God's LAW.
You have never read it, I see. Hundreds of times it says 'And the L-rd spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to the children of Israel...' See Exodus 25. It's everywhere.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
You have never read it, I see. Hundreds of times it says 'And the L-rd spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to the children of Israel...' See Exodus 25. It's everywhere.

Not really my friend. Where did I say to you Moses did not speak God's Law to the Children of Israel. If I have never said such things why pretend that I have?
 
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