Comparitive Politics of RF Members.

[Revoltingest]

A problem with the Political Compass is that it's European centric in the terminology of the magnitude of it's axes.
The Nolan Chart (ca 1970) is better, because the axes are clearly labeled without culture-dependent terms, ie, "economic freedom" & "social freedom".
And then there is a simple magnitude concept of 0 to 100.
The meaning labeled quadrants of "libertarian", "left" & "right" then have their meaning made clear to both Europeans & N Americans.
Alas....Political Compass's Wayne Brittenden doesn't plan to change his diagram to suit me. Selfish, isn't he?

Here is a variant used in the World's Smallest Political Quiz.
(Which has the shortcoming of only 10 questions....or maybe that's an advantage.)

 

[Father Heathen]

And on those charts, I would be a left-leaning libertarian. :yes:

 

[Revoltingest]

And on those charts, I would be a left-leaning libertarian. :yes:

Rats! You quoted a version before the current edit.
I decided that the color variant of the Nolan Chart was less clear than it should be.
But still, the axes let us easily see what's going on.
It calls me an "individualist". I can live with that.

 

[Father Heathen]

Rats! You quoted a version before the current edit.
I decided that the color variant of the Nolan Chart was less clear than it should be.

I removed the quote. Also, that chart is far more clear and concise than the wacky, convoluted European meaning of the term.

 

[Revoltingest]

I removed the quote.

Rats again!
I'll slow down my re-edits.
Geeze, I'm messing up this thread!

 

[Alceste]

America needs no permission from backwoods anti-evolutionist Canuckistanian pedants. Like its biological analogue,
language has no central authority intelligently designing it. It is a stochastic process which simply unfolds before us.
Even your fellow frozen northerners have ditched the fossilized French definition to which you so desperately cling.
We are "libertarians", not "libertaire". BTW, the offer to join us is still open....& we'll spice up your poutine with bacon.

Putting in an extra "u" will cause your motorcycle to leak oil.
I have a 1970 Triumph, so I know.

But we aren't in Europe, are we?

The English word originated as a description for the socialist ideology about a hundred years before right wing Americans borrowed it to describe Ayn Randism.

Canada is much closer to Europe than the US when it comes to both politics and spelling.

I'm only asking you to stop misinforming people about what the word libertarian means. I don't care if you still want to call yourself one, knowing that most people outside your country will think that means you're a socialist.

 

[jasonwill2]

A problem with the Political Compass is that it's European centric in the terminology of the magnitude of it's axes.
The Nolan Chart (ca 1970) is better, because the axes are clearly labeled without culture-dependent terms, ie, "economic freedom" & "social freedom".
And then there is a simple magnitude concept of 0 to 100.
The meaning labeled quadrants of "libertarian", "left" & "right" then have their meaning made clear to both Europeans & N Americans.
Alas....Political Compass's Wayne Brittenden doesn't plan to change his diagram to suit me. Selfish, isn't he?

Here is a variant used in the World's Smallest Political Quiz.
(Which has the shortcoming of only 10 questions....or maybe that's an advantage.)

I think I'm a centerist then

 

[Alceste]

A problem with the Political Compass is that it's European centric in the terminology of the magnitude of it's axes.
The Nolan Chart (ca 1970) is better, because the axes are clearly labeled without culture-dependent terms, ie, "economic freedom" & "social freedom".
And then there is a simple magnitude concept of 0 to 100.
The meaning labeled quadrants of "libertarian", "left" & "right" then have their meaning made clear to both Europeans & N Americans.
Alas....Political Compass's Wayne Brittenden doesn't plan to change his diagram to suit me. Selfish, isn't he?

Here is a variant used in the World's Smallest Political Quiz.
(Which has the shortcoming of only 10 questions....or maybe that's an advantage.)

The only difference between these charts and the political compass is that the corners on these ones are rotated by 45 °. They've still got a quarter of their area dedicated to us libertarian socialists

 

[Revoltingest]

The English word originated as a description for the socialist ideology about a hundred years before right wing Americans borrowed it to describe Ayn Randism.

Time to live in 21st Canuckistan, instead of ancient France.
BTW, I found this picture of you & hubby.....

Canada is much closer to Europe than the US when it comes to both politics and spelling.

But your indigenous Libertarian Party is not.
And our spelling is more efficient, since we dispense with the useless "u" in words like "colour" & "Bozou".
I'm working to get rid of silent "p" & the "u" after "q" too.

 

[Revoltingest]

The only difference between these charts and the political compass is that the corners on these ones are rotated by 45 °.

You should read the text I posted along with the diagrams.
There are geeky differences too.

 

[Breathe]

I'm joking, I'm joking. I edited that deliberately. ​

Seems fair enough.

 

[Alceste]

Time to live in 21st Canuckistan, instead of ancient France.
BTW, I found this picture of you & hubby.....

But your indigenous Libertarian Party is not.
And our spelling is more efficient, since we dispense with the useless "u" in words like "colour" & "Bozou".
I'm working to get rid of silent "p" & the "u" after "q" too.

In Canada, any idiot can start a political party and call it whatever they want without changing the globally recognized definition of any English words. We have a rhinoceros party too, and yet the original definition of the word "rhinoceros" remains intact. Imagine that!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

 

[Alceste]

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

Yet another libertarian socialist. Maybe we exist after all!

 

[Father Heathen]

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

 

[jasonwill2]

So I'm guessing my

x = -2.5

y = -4.5

is "right wing" compared to most of you?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The wording and choices of the test seem quite poor, and some of the questions I suspect weigh the results unfairly, such as the one asking about first generation immigrants being fully integrated into their new country. The way I answered that one (disagree) has nothing to do with politics but rather knowing that outsiders very typically will not fully understand or comprehend their new culture, similar to how a non-native speaker of a language is very unlikely to acquire an understanding and mastery of the language that native speakers have because the non-native does not have the same cultural knowledge and understandings of the native speakers. As for asking about luck, there is no option for "I don't believe in luck." But here are my results, although I am fairly certain if I had the option for a more honest answer I would be even further left.

 

[jasonwill2]

The website that this comes from is obviously an evil source bent on destroying America as seen in what it says here:

This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.

The Political Compass - US Presidential Election 2012

Ok, maybe not "evil" and wanting to destroy america, but that is an obviously biased statement.

edit:

This seems old with this:

Our earlier assertion stil holds: that Ron Paul may yet emerge as the last person left standing at the Republican convention. His tenacious supporters are unnerving GOP headquarters by grasping control of the party apparatus in a growing number of states, and suing the National Party Chair and various state parties for the right to vote freely at the convention — in other words, the right to vote for Ron Paul. With Paul as presidential candidate, the Republicans could expect something that Romney wouldn't deliver: a significant crossover vote from Democrats.

But reading this all... they might somehow have a point... but I disagree with the first statement. As well I dont think its updated to show that Obama is pro gay marriage now.

 

[jasonwill2]

 

[jasonwill2]

OK I took it again (I took it 3 months ago):

I think economically it is to the left very, very slightly more so than before.

However, consider that I am a West Virginian American Satanist who used to be a conservative Christian, (I was probably 2[x], 2.7[y] at 14) and that I was probably dead center at 18, I've had quite a ride and apparently am probably really an odd one out for my state and Country.

EDIT:

WOOT! My home State of West Virginia is more liberal and liberterian than Obama!

EDIT 2:

ALL OF AMERICA, THIS MAKES WEST VIRGINIA REALLY LIBERAL RELATIVELY!