I tell them what GOD says they are doing wrong, my opinion does not count.You don't like disagreements, but you like telling people what they're doing wrong...typical.
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Concerning the Hellfire Doctrine
- Thread starter Rainbow Mage
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Or. just because they don't listen to the God of Jesus doesn't mean they don't listen to their God [god(s)].....
2 Cor 4:4; Rev 12:3
At John [8:42] Jesus addressed the false religious leaders saying if God was their father or their God....verse 44.... they were from their father the devil,
The Devil or Satan is called the 'god' of this world of badness at 2Cor.4:4.
So it should be no wonder that Jesus exposes them, and teaches us to follow his teachings.
JustWondering
Jerk
Christians.
Since the clergy often teach a literal fiery hell does that mean they are unrealized or unenlightened persons living in the world?
Although Jesus was in hell [Acts 2:27,31] Jesus was Not living or alive in hell because Jesus believed the dead sleep the deep sleep of death until they are resurrected as the prophet Daniel also looked forward to that future time.
John 11:11-14; Daniel 12:2,13; Psalm 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Ecc 9:5,10
Wotan
Active Member
I tell them what GOD says they are doing wrong, my opinion does not count.
And YOU know the mind of god . . . how?
I strongly suspect that most clergy are unenlightened. After all, the early Church made a conscious decision to base the Christian mystery on logos, rather than gnosis. That gave the clergy power, but also meant that the clergy did not need to be enlightened to be clergy.
JustWondering
Jerk
God wrote a book apparently.
According to 1st Cor 2v16....... we have the mind of Christ.
Through Jesus teachings [his mind] we can come to know the mind of God well enough to know his will for humans.
John 17v3 mentions the importance of knowledge of God and Jesus.
Accurate knowledge of God and Christ is found between the pages of Scripture and as Jesus instructed us to pray at Luke 11:13 B.
Just as forewarned [Acts 20vs29,30; Matt 24v24] after the first century ended that false wolf-like clergy would come disguised as sheep to fleece the flock of God.
Wheat [genuine] and Weeds [false tares] would grow together until the Harvest time or time of separation of Matthew 25v32.
We are at the time of Matthew 13vs47-49; 24v14 before all badness on earth comes to an end and the start of Jesus peaceful 1000-year rule over earth.
How do we know what someone is saying ???
We LISTEN to them speaking or we read their writing !!!
There isn't really any other way for man , is there.
It's a simple beginning for everyone alike - we are no better than the next man except we believe and obey.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
More like you adbucate your mind and listen to everything you're told by your pastor without question.
I listen to what GOD requires of us , I need no middle-man
Contrary to what people think God has plenty to say ! :yes:
Jesus did not abdicate his mind. The world values a well-rounded secular education. By age 12 Jesus already had a well-rounded Scriptural education. Jesus used Scripture on which to reason and base his belief and faith. [not credulity].
L00k at the 'woes' Jesus pronounced against the false religious leaders in the 23rd chapter of Matthew. Jesus gives his reasons and why for those 'woes'.
Christians are Not taught to listen to everything they are told w/o question.
At Acts [17v11] the people searched or researched Scripture to see if things were actually so. However, it is foretold that 'many' would come in Jesus name but prove false, and as 2nd Timothy 4v3 says they would want religious teachers in order to have their ears 'tickled' so to speak.
Wotan
Active Member
How do we know what someone is saying ???
We LISTEN to them speaking or we read their writing !!!
There isn't really any other way for man , is there.
It's a simple beginning for everyone alike - we are no better than the next man except we believe and obey.
Which doesn't answer the question. Your position is that you know the mind of god because you know the mind of god?
What evidence is that that YOUR favorite book of fables IS the word of this god thing? And IF it is why are so many different versions of what is supposed to say so clearly? The are at least 100 different xantian sects ALL claiming to the ONLY true and correct version of what this god REALLY said.
How do we know - how do YOU know - your version is correct?
Which doesn't answer the question. Your position is that you know the mind of god because you know the mind of god?
What evidence is that that YOUR favorite book of fables IS the word of this god thing? And IF it is why are so many different versions of what is supposed to say so clearly? The are at least 100 different xantian sects ALL claiming to the ONLY true and correct version of what this god REALLY said. [/quote}
Like it or not friend - I did answer your question. You just happen not to believe it which is (as of present) your God-given Right. So I am not arguing with you but stating my case while not denying YOUR belief.
Why then are people allowed to disbelieve God ? Because they have free choice !!!
Perhaps you have read the scripture that says God gave 6 days (or 6000 years) to MAN in which to do his own thing ? Well - we are still (only just) within that period of time when you can have your own personal opinion which yours is not to believe. And mine happens to believe that there is a God and also to believe what he says.
So there we are - each doing what God allows. But this period is shortly coming to an end when we will be told by the returning Christ (in no uncertain terms) how things REALLY ARE. No more personal ideas and opinions !!!
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
You know, I post on another forum and there are an enormous number of Christians who don't believe that. You would seriously be surprised at how many Christians believe in a universal reconcilliation with God.
Wotan
Active Member
That kinda defeats the whole purpose doesn't it? If everybody gets "saved" guys like our friend Beta here would not have the chance to say, "See, I told you so. Now burn forever you godless heathen."
I must say I am not happy with your implications of my belief.That kinda defeats the whole purpose doesn't it? If everybody gets "saved" guys like our friend Beta here would not have the chance to say, "See, I told you so. Now burn forever you godless heathen."
I would never say the words you are putting in my mouth.
In the first inst. scripture does not even teach eternal burning so please get your facts right.:foot:
Apollonius Zagreus
Member
Burning is a chemical reaction wherein stored energy is released. Tell me, how does one burn spirit?